Comment by g.l. — August 19, 2008 @ 12:00 pm……

The Giants had a top line defense and a middle of the pack offense. Ravens had a top of the line defense and a bottom line offense when they won it. But here is your middle of line defense and top of the line offense……click here –> http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/2005.htm?redir

I agree, i’d rather have a defensive powerhouse than an offensive one, if we could only have one or the other.

I just don’t see any evidence or credentials to say that Herm is the man to make that happen.

This statement by VLTC bothers me…..(However, you move any of Herms four 9-7 or 10-6 “playoff” teams to 2003 or 2005, and they wouldn’t have even made it.)

That seems to happen every year. Look at how Cleveland missed the playoffs and Giants made it. In 2006 Phily (10-6), Dallas (9-7), Giants (8-8). In 2005 Patriots won the Division with 10 wins while Chiefs came in second in theirs division and didnt make it. In 2004 Minnesota and the Rams both had an 8-8 season and made it to the playoffs. In 2003 Baltimore won their division with 10-6 while Miami missed it with a 10-6 record and let us not forget about 2002. OMG the whole AFC East were kicking each others @$$ and three teams went 9-7 while the fourth went 8-8, WOW! …..the list goes on and on. If you take any of those scenerios and changed the years where another team had a better season then neither one would have made the playoffs.

But back to my other point, wins matter because they earn/guarantee a playoff spot. I don’t believe any 11+ win team has missed the playoffs. However, you move any of Herms four 9-7 or 10-6 “playoff” teams to 2003 or 2005, and they wouldn’t have even made it. Or in some cases, if the schedule would have been a little different, they might not have had the tie breakers that let the 9-7 teams squeak into the playoffs.

I don’t know about you, but I watched up to half of the Jets games while Herm was there (I was living in New England at the time). Some of them i even saw in person (including when the Chiefs stomped ‘em in NJ). All I ever saw was a coach whose decision making (or lack there of) and game planning held the team back. He doesn’t bring anything worthy to the table, in my humble opinion. At least not at an NFL head coaching level. I’ve closely witnessed 7 years of Herm. That’s enough for me. I find it unlikely that he will suddenly change or improve much.

Sure, you can point to successful 10-6 or 9-7 teams. But for every one of those, i can point you to a team with the same record that didn’t even earn a playoff spot… like the 2005 Chiefs.

Go Chiefs (in spite of Herm’s deficiencies)!

Now let’s look at Herm’s 10 wins or less seasons that made it to the playoffs.
2001 10-6 (first year) lost in first round (Oakland Raiders 12-4) 0-1
2002 9-7 win against Indy 41-0 lost against Oakland 10-30. 1-1
2005 10-6 First round win against Chargers 20-17 and lost against Pitt 17-20. 1-1
Edwards playoffs record with the Jets 2-3

BTW, 2001 was Vermiel’s first year as head coach for the Chiefs and the same year was the first year for Herm Edwards. Funny how Edwards had a better playoff’s record than Vermeil but everyone dislike the guy and praised Vermeil.

1) There is no worship of Vermeil here, it’s about stopping the inappropriate blame he is receiving

2) Herm never won more than 10 games in a season. I don’t care how many times his teams accidentally got to the playoffs. His teams have never really earned it, due in large part to his poor stewardship

Lastly, lumping Herm and Marty together has no basis other than saying they are both defensively minded. I might as well lump Herm and the devil together because they both love fig newtons.

Ask the true NY Giants fans.