Chiefs 33, Broncos 19
This was, by far, the most energetic and emotionally driven Chiefs performance of this season. Perhaps that’s what comes with actually having a lead – our first of the year. This was a dominating performance by a young team. Although most of these players still have a lot to learn, it’s nice to see some of our potential fulfilled, even if it’s just one game for now. Of course, this all came against a Denver defense ranked near last in the league. On the flipside, the great defensive performance came against one of the best offenses in the league. Serious credit must be given to the Chiefs players who really stepped up (e.g. Larry Johnson, Derrick Johnson, Demorrio Williams, Brandon Carr, etc). Great game!
This all came despite Herm Edwards’ best effort to keep the game close with his typical Fearball tactics. Throughout Herm’s tenure with the Chiefs, his decision-making has been predicated, first and foremost, on fear. Fear of losing a chance at a field goal, fear of a turnover, fear of giving up a big play, fear fear fear.
There’s no excuse for NOT MAKING A SINGLE ATTEMPT at the endzone on the first two drives, despite having ten plays inside the 20-yard line (7 plays inside the 10). The fact that we ended up winning doesn’t make this OK.
Maybe you saw it differently, but I believe Herm was attempting to just kill the clock on the last possession of the first half. There’s no excuse for trying to run out the clock with 1:18 left and three timeouts remaining. That plan of attack backfired when we were forced to take a timeout with Albert’s injury. Herm’s decision to “tank it” with only a six point advantage led directly to three more points by Denver before the end of the half. With that much time and timeouts left, what’s the advantage in running out the clock? What’s the difference between that drive and a drive in the second half? You wouldn’t forfeit a series in the third quarter, so why would you do it with so much time left in the second?
Herm’s the only coach I can think of that ALWAYS runs up the middle on 2nd-and-short (to my selective recollection). Many people consider this a near “free play” situation with the best risk-versus-reward you can find for a big play. Not Herm. This is the same coach who told Brodie Croyle to kneel down if they caught the defense offsides and just take the 5-yard penalty instead of taking advantage of the truly free play. That’s not conservative, that’s just plain idiotic.
I know you think I’m just negative, but I give Herm very little credit for this win, at least offensively. With the exception of a surprisingly aggressive drive in the 4th quarter that led to a Tony Gonzalez touchdown, it was generally the same offensive scheme as the previous three weeks. I believe they mixed up the timing and order of play calling much better this time, but it was still full of standard runs and dump passes behind the line of scrimmage. They were just better executed and timed. Herm loves the dump passes, even when not effective, because it gives him something to point at in the box score to claim that they have a “balanced” attack. Of course, anyone who watches the game gets the real scoop. Did you notice we had nine “dumps” to our running backs for a grand total of five yards? You can’t blame them all on good coverage, because Damon Huard often turned right to them without pressure. This doesn’t keep the opponent’s defense honest. We must have a more vertical game if we want long lasting success in all aspects of offense, including the run. Today we were fortunate that our players significantly outplayed theirs despite the handicap.
The primary difference in this game was the player performance. Larry Johnson ran with attitude and succeeded despite Herm’s telegraphing of plays, an often stacked box, and a lack of a downfield threat. Our defense stepped up with four turnovers, a couple three-and-outs, and several big stops to force field goals. I give this win to the players and the defense as a whole. I give Herm credit for making this game only a dropped onside kick away from a possible tie game at the end of regulation. Given our team’s performance and the 4-to-1 turnover advantage, this game should have never been that close with two minutes left. Of course, Herm loves close games; that’s how he defines “success”.
But this was a great game. I don’t want to bring anyone down by reminding you of Herm’s flaws. I just don’t want you to lose sight of 7+ years of Herm ineptitude because of one spectacular game. Like I always say, hire Herm to the scouting department if you like his draft picks. Just get him out of the game-time decision-making where he makes little positive contribution.
I’m very proud of our team for keeping focus, determination, and passion, despite the horrible start to the season. Some of that credit undoubtedly falls on the coaches. So big credit to you, Herm, for your role in keeping the team together
Go Chiefs!
VLTC’s Off-The-Cuff Grades
QB: B
- Huard did what Huard does. He “manages” the game well despite his average skills.
- Showed great poise in the pocket under pressure.
- Some inaccurate throws, particularly downfield, but quite acceptable.
RB: A
- Larry ran like angry Larry again.
WR/TE: B-
- Bowe had a good game, but he still needs to concentrate on catching the ball first.
- Gonzalez just missed the all-time TE record for receiving yards.
- Like always, the 2nd WR was a ghost.
OL: B
- Great run blocking.
- Improved, but still not-so-great, pass protection.
- Hopefully OT Albert will be ok.
DL: C+
- Pretty good day against the run.
- Non-existent pass rush from the front four.
- McBride is much improved this year, but still unable to get to the QB.
LB: A
- D. Johnson follows one of his worst performances of his career (Atlanta) with one of his best (Denver).
- Williams looked the part of a starter. Can’t wait until he gets his thumb back!
- Still don’t understand why Pat Thomas is a starter.
DB: A
- Surtain may have lost his starting job. Carr and Flowers look like the real deal (so far).
- Despite all the yardage, a great day for the defensive backs whenever it mattered.
Coaching: C+
- Same ol’ offensive play calling, but a little better mixed.
- Despite the lack of a pass rush, can’t argue with the defensive play-calling.
- Way to keep the team together and motivated!
Kicking: B
- Novak’s kickoffs were MUCH better. He better remember what he had for breakfast this week.
- Kickoff coverage was acceptable.
Punting: A
- Colquitt is a great asset.
Returns: A
- Savage and Charles render B.J. Sams expendable.
Spot on with the game analysis. Exactly how I felt while watching the game. This win was all about the players, not the coaching.
Comment by rdt58 — September 29, 2008 @ 12:55 pm
Obviously, the Chiefs Just Needed a 35 Year Old Career Backup Quarterback
Posted Sep 29th 2008 12:01PM by Matt Moore (author feed)
Filed under: Chiefs, AFC West
If you had asked most people what the Chiefs (0-3) needed to beat the Broncos (3-0) on Sunday, suggestions would have ranged from “a time machine to take them back to 2003″ to “Larry Johnson to somehow learn to play quarterback.” What you would not have heard is “Oh, they just need their 35 year old career backup quarterback to take the reins, manage the offense, and make key plays, along with their young defense turning in its best performances to date.”
But that’s exactly what the Chiefs got in their 33-19 win on Sunday, snapping a 12-game losing streak in the process and providing some much needed hope and relief for a struggling franchise, a highly questioned head coach and front-office staff, and a suffering fanbase.
Damon Huard didn’t put up many yards (160) and he didn’t have hardly any highlights aside from a floater to Tony Gonzalez in the fourth quarter that put the game out of reach for the Broncos, but he did have one very big number. Zero. As in, zero turnovers, good for a 100.3 rating.
In the rebuilding plan for Herm Edwards, this one pretty much set the mold for what he hopes to accomplish in Kansas City.
Ball-control offense featuring a devastating, consistent running attack (Larry Johnson piled up 198 yards and 2 TDs), only one turnover (on an LJ fumble), and a defense that, while giving up over 400 yards, made big plays, managed field position, and most importantly, created turnovers.
Kansas City’s been waiting for its young defense to show signs of life and today it shot up like a cannon. Rookie cornerback Brandon Carr had an interception and a fumble recovery. Rookie Brandon Flowers had 7 tackles and a fumble recovery. The team made big stops when it needed them. Essentially, it did everything it hasn’t done all season, nor for much of last season.
A primary reason for that was Kansas City’s ability to control the clock, winning the time of possession behind an offense that while pedestrian, was also effective against Denver’s sieve-like defense. Huard wasn’t slinging it downfield and every time he took the snap, Chiefs fans still held their breath waiting for a duck to be intercepted or for Denver’s linebackers to crush him like tinfoil, but today their fears were soothed by safe throws and a determination to simply not screw up.
And for one game at least, that was enough. Enough to snap the 12-game losing streak, enough to prevent the dubious notation of a winless season, and enough to provide some hope for the players, the staff and the fans.
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great effort by the chiefs!!!
they actually looked like a nfl team.
how bad does that make denver look, being beaten by one of the WORST teams in the nfl.
Loved the stat that crybaby shanahan is 3 & 11 in kc!!!! lol
Comment by dennis — September 29, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
Your grading seems rather biased. Only C+ coaching. If you want 60 passes a game stay with the small time in college. In the big league you have to be balance. And yes little dump passes are good at keeping the clock moving did you see the time of possession? We tried more screens, but there is no reason to them five more times if the first two didn’t work. And the running game so much for run run pass punt more like run 3 yards and then run 65 yards for a 7 yard average day. Even without the big run Larry would have had a five yard average.
Only one sack and 200+ yards rushing thats A performance from the O line.
100 qb rating that’s A quality
D-line was bringing pressure, but got gassed later on in the game. Only a B performance, but still best of the year so far.
There is no curve in the NFL, but it seems you expect too much. Would a team need 400 yards passing with 5 td’s no INTs 300 yards rushing 5 sacks for the defense 3 Fumble recoveries and four interceptions for you to be happy or is that still not enough. We are inexperienced and I believe that does give our team a learning curve we played one hell of a game. Our team plays better against better opponents. I hope we are predicted to lose every game the rest of the year. Especially at Home I hope everyone thinks they can somehow become the Oakland Raiders against the Chiefs. It won’t happen Our defense plays so hard in the first half we don’t have enough energy left. Looks like we could finally use those late game sacks from J. Allen oh wait he has not done shit this year looks like we got our money’s worth. Our only chance at ever winning like we have in the past is by running for more than 200 yards or just averaging more than four yards a carry on 40 carries.
What we need to do is get our backfield more involved in the passing game. What happened to the charles crossing play over the middle that worked twice last week. It was unfortunate to kick field goals to start the games but scoring is scoring. Shanahan loves field goals and won’t even think about going for it fourth down unless it’s less than an inch within the opponents ten yard line. When we started the conservative trend it makes the other team (who does not mind kicking FGs) more likely to set up for matching FGs. We would probably be more aggressive in the down field passing game with our most accurate qb. When going against a team with talented corners we did what we needed to do to win. We executed the game plan to perfection. We scored more points in one game than we did in the previous three.
This is the second time in three years Herm has been without his starting quarterback after week 1. The first time it happened we got really fricking lucky when the perfect storm (week 17 2006) destroyed the playoff hopes of some very good teams. Our schedule regardless of how many wins our future opponents have are all beatable. If we continue to grow, which is what happens when you play 9 guys on defense who have less than three years experience. Six players on offense who also have less than three years experience. The funny part is these are the players making the big plays. If you add DJ 4 years and LJ five years that’s a total of 17 starters with LESS than three years experience. The first three weeks were typical of inexperienced teams. We were only in the first games cause we were really excited and Bonecrusher opened up the whole AFC for the taking.
If by some miracle we can play with the same intensity for two weeks or more in a row and beat Carolina we would have the advantage over San Diego and Denver in head to head or common games. Nothing is out of reach. San Diego has just a tough a schedule as we do actually a little tougher (at steelers at Bucs at Saints at KC at buffalo, Indy in SD and NE in SD. All of those games could go either way. Atlanta Oakland Denver Miami are all very beatable when at SD.
Our toughest road games are at Carolina at Denver at San Diego and maybe at Jets. We play our toughest competition at home where we stand a real chance. If we win all our home games 7 wins if we manage to beat Cinci and oakland thats nine wins and if we can win in Denver very possible with their shitty defense, and to ultimately win the division we must win in San Diego. 9-7 or 10-6 or 11-5 my prediction for end of the season with a playoff birth. Last year SD started 1-3. Herm’s fifth in eight years (pretty fucking good for any coach without ever having a reliable quarterback who is not a career backup.
We only need to be 3-5 going into the San Diego game to be in a good enough to position to make the playoffs that’s right I said it. Our division is so shitty the leader could make the layoffs at 8-8 or 9-7. We should lose at Carolina and against the Jets but winning at home against Titans and Bucs, we have a better offense than both teams if croyle comes back) It is all about developing our defense every week, and that will decide our success for the rest of the season.
Could we have won this week with Herm’s prescribed 20-23 points of offense. The answer is yes you sniveling pricks and against the leagues best offense. “Oh wait they are not the best though now because our so called pathetic team beat them with a so called one of the leagues worst defenses. Our defense is better than last year and we were ranked 13th. We won’t be ranked that high because our bend but don’t break philosophy will continue to give up 300+ yards to any offense, as long as we become the best red zone defense and #1 again after last year on third down we will win many more games.
How are we so lucky to fail miserably, but when all the cards come out still have a better chance than frosty in Satan’s hot tub? Not great odds but better than ANYONE could have conceived.
Larry Johnson will have a good chance this year to finally get the rushing record if he keeps getting better every week. He’s averaging almost 160 yards per game in the last two weeks.
Carolina is a balanced team. Decent running game decent passing game I expect Delhomme to through for at least 200+ yards, but I don’t expect stuart or williams to break any big ones on us like oakland or atlanta. There defense will be the greatest test for our offense since NE. It would be nice to have croyle cause there are a lot of ways to exploit a defense that wants to shut down the best back in the league. 31-17 Chiefs win and our defense will put up points.
Comment by Jake — September 29, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Ending season with franchise record 9 straight losses…
Painful yet rewarding
Starting season 0-3…
almost all faith lost
Slaying Donkeys with the Centaur…
…Priceless!!!
Comment by Jake — September 29, 2008 @ 2:17 pm
I wondered how long it would be til Jake reared his ugly little head.
Where were you Jake, when the Chiefs were getting pounded by 2 sucky teams like Oakland & Atlanta?
You say we’re not true fans, yet you only show up when the Chiefs win. Where was Herm’s greatness last weeek vs Atlanta?
1 win in the last 13 games does not make Herm good or validate his policies. The law of averages says you can’t lose forever.
You credit Herm for doing what he can without a reliable QB, yet fail to acknowledge it was Herm’s idiocy that left the Chiefs without a reliable QB.
We’re all Chiefs fans here, & we all want them to win, yet you first dove in (on another column) with nothing but personal attacks. Aren’t you mature enough to just disagree with someone without resorting to name calling?
Why are you always posting here & writing books to people you hate? What’s wrong with you?
Comment by Alex — September 29, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
First of all I just think it’s funny how you guys come up with your reasoning. I only started the name calling to draw your attention and reciprocity. I apologize for realizing how misinformed you are about a Chiefs’ coaches responsibility. He does not sign the player or get much say in quarterback decisions like Trent Green. He did get to draft a young kid from alabama with ability as a backup plan if shit hit the fan. We have never had more than one reasonably talented quarterback since the Cincinnati game in 2006. Why would I post when we are losing thats when I let all you folk get your half bits worth of ranting in. I just tried to fuel the fire after the New England. Do you think Huard could have done anything against the raiders if he wasn’t getting pounded every other play. Why put our only quarterback in harm’s way on the road against the league’ sack leader.
I could go on like this for ever until it not really in the Head Offices vision to make the playoffs this year. Do they expect to win games of course. But it is unrealistic to expect these kids to learn the biggest game in the world in a matter of months. There is a huge distinction between veteran and rookie. Both Johnsons are now looking like veterans. Our Defensive Backfield for how young they are, are playing some of the best football anyone could expect even before the turnovers this week. You all are just upset because you have seen no progress after Herm showed up. We had a team that went to the playoffs once in five years and you expected something grand. Vermeils last year ended 10-6 meaning a very likely playoff picture in 2006 well that ended pretty quickly against Cinci in 2006. From their our identity was lost. Larry came through and ran more times than anyone in the history of League (pretty big fucking deal having 46% of our yards plus another 20 touchdowns) Its just too bad we didn’t have a quality qb going against Indy( but it was the championship team). The next year 2007 we started slow because of our O-line and only got on track one game against San Diego where we got lucky a lot. The rest of the season was in the crapper and what we never waned to admit was we need a change. Not to say that after a playoff year we get rid of our coach and start something new year after year like oakland. We decided to get draft picks and just see who on the team wanted to stay and play for a loser not to collect a check, but prove ability in the league. Not many came through and to our advantage we got a very good draft spot after starting the first seven games with a winning record. It could not have worked out much better under the circumstances. The only thing better could have been after Lamar passed away Clark find someone that could do something bold. Carl=business man we need a players GM but someone who is smart enough to come up with a plan for the long term future rather than coming up with a three year plan every two years.
We have our progress and you all already know anyone can win on any given sunday and that good teams start somewhere and I would like to think everything came together on Sunday, but that is simply not true. We have a long way to go and all I hope for is to win every game at home this year and sign 6-8 more talented players next year. We don’t have to get last place to do good and we can finish 8-8 win the division get some playoff experience like the Giants did in 2006 and mae the playoff at 8-8. I just don’t see how you don’t realize what is possible. You guys are not supporting our players with your dissent. I find it very disrespectful to not believe in what you have. You can’t change it. You know our circumstance so suck it up and be a man and lose your voice every week like I do. My season tickets were this one game, but I would love to see six more like it.
Comment by Jake — September 29, 2008 @ 5:06 pm
jake
do you read the crap you write first before you hit the post button??
jake: “We scored more points in one game than we did in the previous three.”
Dennis: remember, denver has one of the worst run defenses in the nfl. of course we got larry involved. Larry ran like the OLD Larry for a change. he was running OVER people!!
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Jake: “This is the second time in three years Herm has been without his starting quarterback after week 1. The first time it happened we got really fricking lucky when the perfect storm (week 17 2006) destroyed the playoff hopes of some very good teams.
Dennis: So, if I am reading this right, Herm should have never been in the playoffs 3 years ago. I agree that was a fluke. Herm is not a good enough coach to take a team to the playoffs!! That was Vermiel’s team anyway!! Herm ruined that offense!! Remember Herm saying “33 points, thats arena league!!” We got very lucky to win this game. What i mean is with 2 minutes left in the game, Denver was still very much in the game. Herm does not know the meaning of “going for the throat” of your opponent and putting them OUT of the game!!
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Jake: “If we continue to grow, which is what happens when you play 9 guys on defense who have less than three years experience. Six players on offense who also have less than three years experience. The funny part is these are the players making the big plays. If you add DJ 4 years and LJ five years that’s a total of 17 starters with LESS than three years experience. The first three weeks were typical of inexperienced teams. We were only in the first games cause we were really excited and Bonecrusher opened up the whole AFC for the taking.
Dennis: What???? Have you been taking lessons from Herm on talking in circles??? DJ 4 yrs, LJ 5 yrs, thats a total of 17 players with less that 3 yrs experience???
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Jake: “It was unfortunate to kick field goals to start the games but scoring is scoring. ”
Dennis: Thats right, good teams score TOUCHDOWNS!!!
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Jake: “Our team plays better against better opponents. I hope we are predicted to lose every game the rest of the year.
Dennis: Guess we cant win against “shitty” teams, and guess what, your wish is coming true. We ARE predicted to lose every game!!
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Jake: ” We should lose at Carolina and against the Jets but winning at home against Titans and Bucs, we have a better offense than both teams if croyle comes back.”
Dennis: Excuse me??? win against the 4/0 titans?? How many games EXACTLY has Croyle won???? Thats right ZERO! How many games has it been close with Croyle in there?? Thats right, ZERO!!! Huard is the ONLY qb that we have that gives us even half a chance, yet HERM cant see this. When Croyle comes back in (and Herm will put him there) we will go back to getting our asses kicked!!!
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Jake: “Could we have won this week with Herm’s prescribed 20-23 points of offense. The answer is yes you sniveling pricks and against the leagues best offense. “Oh wait they are not the best though now because our so called pathetic team beat them with a so called one of the leagues worst defenses.”
Dennis: At least you were right about ONE point! Denver got beat by one of the worst teams!
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Jake: “Larry Johnson will have a good chance this year to finally get the rushing record if he keeps getting better every week. He’s averaging almost 160 yards per game in the last two weeks.”
Dennis: Dont forget we still have tha SAME offensive line that couldnt spring larry for more than 3 yrds in the first three games! But i do hope larry does well. He “RAN MAD” again, unlike the last 2 years!!
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Jake: “9-7 or 10-6 or 11-5 my prediction for end of the season with a playoff birth.”
Dennis: WHAT???? You really need to lay off the crack. I bet you sleep and snuggle up to your “I love Herm” Tee shirt! By the way, what is it 9-7, 10-6 or 11-5.
Jake i really hope you keep posting cause when i read your stuff its hard to finish your posts with tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.
Go Chiefs (thanks for kicking Denvers ass!!)
Dennis
Comment by dennis — September 29, 2008 @ 5:15 pm
Jake, what are you smoking? 11-5? LOL!!!! Our starting QB will be back soon, remember him, the one who hasn’t won a game yet? Denver is not that good, they should be 1-3 right now instead of 3-1.
Comment by Jeff in VA — September 29, 2008 @ 5:40 pm
It would be nice if we became the silent giant killers! Hey! A Guy Can Dream, Can’t He??? LOL
Comment by BadBones — September 29, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
There’s a lot of words out there, but let me address a few I noticed:
Regarding grades:
- QB not an “A” b/c 160 yards, 1 td, and some bad throws does not constitute a “top level performance”. If that’s an “A”, then whats 300 yards, 3 tds, and a 130 QB rating? An “A” with 10 pluses?
- OL: Pass protection was so-so at best, hence the B over an A
- Coaching C+ – The point of the article was that the players performance was the difference in the game, not the coaches. Given that the coaches went from an “F” to a “C+”, that’s a big improvement.
- DL: I don’t know which game you watched, but the front 4 were very poor in the pass rush. We only got to the QB when we brought 2 extra rushers.
Other:
- Jared Allen may not be lighting it up, but he has more sacks than anyone currently on the Chiefs roster.
- I don’t understand how Herm supporters say “we’re sick of the good-but-not-great teams (e.g. Vermeil, Marty). We need to rebuild from scratch to get to the superbowl and Herm’s the guy to do it because he went to the playoffs 4 times”. Umm, sneaking into the playoffs 4 times at 9-7 or 10-6 and never making it past the divisional matchup isn’t exactly “getting over the hump” is it? Such statements are inherently contradictory.
Comment by VLTC — September 29, 2008 @ 6:22 pm
Jake,
If you think Herm deserves more than a C+ for a win, then what does he deserve for a loss? You can’t have it both ways, if he gets credit for a win, he gets credit for a loss.
Jake: “(Herm) does not sign the player or get much say in quarterback decisions like Trent Green.”
Alex: This is so typical. Just like with my first statement, you are all about giving Herm credit when something goes right, but when it goes bad it’s not Herm’s fault.
Jake: “Why would I post when we are losing thats when I let all you folk get your half bits worth of ranting in.”
Alex: Exactly, you just proved my point. You can’t defend Herm when they are losing, so you slink off & hide, but when they win, you are out here in full force. Sure looks to me like if anyone here is a fair weather fan, it is you.
Comment by Alex — September 29, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
St. Louis has taken the first step in the right direction–watch St. Louis improve and KC continue to Herm up the league with losses.
Comment by ed f — September 29, 2008 @ 8:19 pm
Does Herm have a son named JAKE? I’m all for being a die hard Chiefs fan but Jake is in love with Herm. One win and Jakes back with his “let’s give Herm a chance” whine. We had a great game but let’s not forget that the Donk’s could easily be 1-2 coming in but for dumb luck. Hopefully we can keep some momentum going in to Carolina and have LJ run like the LJ of old once again.
Comment by Mark — September 30, 2008 @ 12:00 am
11-5???!! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING JAKE????????!!!!
Comment by Jones — September 30, 2008 @ 2:33 am
I don’t know my birth father, being adopted, so maybe… I’m not dark skinned though so probably not.
If you all must know I smoke the finest cali greens. JK I only smoke cubans oh I mean DR’s Oh wait I don’t smoke cause I don’t want fucking cancer like both my parents you shit heads.
Crack is for crack heads like you who jokes about crack. Crack is no joke and a serious problem if you need help there are places that can do just that. Welcome to our world called reality you should try it. The weather’s very nice over here.
Yes Herm and his coaching staff made mistakes this year some that cost us the win/tie in New England. From there it was downhill. We had no plan vs. the raiders coaches and players sucked the worst game I have been to since elway and TD kicked the crap out of us almost ten years ago at Home. The problem was this home opening loss showed us the lack of physicality in our defensive front seven. How do you teach a player be physical, you can try but that’s like teaching a rabbit to hop. Coaches are their to lead correct mistakes and create a plan. If players are not physical enough they simply should not play. Our losses are just as much on our inexperienced players as our our unproven coaches. All I’m saying is we now have the confidence to be the physical defense Gunther talked of in the offseason my main reason for standing with herm is because our defense is better than most and is young enough to become the BEST. IF we had a offense that could do what they did on Sunday every Sunday we will be 11-5. I just don’t see why it seems why you guys want us to lose just to have something new. This year is new. Its different from last year. your just too afraid to look beyond the record and the stats to see the talent we have. It must be developed and the majority of our coaches have what it takes to develop that talent into a really great team. I’m just happy we have fewer fuck heads like sapp wesley bell law these overpaid self conscious unreliable players. We need players who play every down with self less emotion and an indescribable fire in their gut. We had it in the 90′s we will have it better in the coming weeks and years.
Who does not like Demarrio? and Thomas has shown flashes of his sheer will to succeed and thats the kind of stuff that makes a championship team the sheer will. You don’t have to be the most talented or the fastest you just have to work together have good character and heart to eliminate the big mistakes and there you have it exactly what happened on sunday. No team not even the patriots of 2007 put up more points in the first three games as the Broncos did this year. We held them to one touchdown. But I guess from your logic a team who only scores one touchdown is not any good.
22 teams so far this year have only one TD in a game the ten teams who have scored at least two in every game.
Baltimore who has exactly 65 points this year as the chiefs but they have done it in only 3 games. They average just over 2 TDs and 2 FGs / game.
Certainly a playoff contender even with the rookie quarterback I wanted the chiefs to pick up this year
But not over big AL. This draft was short on good QB he happened to be one of few so he went hight because the demand was so high.
Bears just an average team that somehow plays better than their talent level maybe its the coaching or just the defenses sheer will at times it really matters. doubtful of playoff run without a real offense. Orton is worse than Huard and Forte is no LJ, but they do play as a team which what we are trying to do he in KC>
Bills have done something remarkable with Trent Edwards no one knew this guy before last year, but he started playing like a pro and his team is continuing to build around him. If they don’t make the playoffs it will be very sad under their current circumstance of the Toronto scandel.
Cowboys: I don’t need to say anymore the Super Bowl was in a gift basket on their front porch in early September they might not win but I would be shocked if they don’t win at least two playoffs games this year for the first time in a really really long time like 12 years wow almost as long as 15 years haha not funny sorry.
Saints: this team has no defense like the Broncos so even though no one has shut them completely down yet it will happen with their schedule but 9-7 or 10-6 is not unlikely just depends on how the NFC shapes up in the end whether they are in or not.
Giants: they did only score only one touchdown in Week 1 but managed to win, one of two teams able score only one touchdown and still win this year out of 22 teams. They keep it up and they will be right there with Dallas. I did not expect them to play this well this year with the players they lost but that team has heart.
Eagles: this is the other team that managed a 15-6 win over Pittsburgh and did it with only one touchdown. At only 2-2 they are in not much better position than we are except their talent is so highly at crucial skill positions they will make the playoffs barring serious injury to mcnabb.
Bucs: I love this team it has been my second favorite team ever since the late 90s when their defense played the most physical football I had ever seen besides the chiefs of course. I always dreamed of having lynch brooks barber alstott on the chiefs, but we had similar but different talent Thomas Gonzo Richardson Warfield Carter. I hope this team makes the playoffs this year it will be easy for me to root for them. Last year they got beat by the Giants who got really lucky and played their ass off last year.
San Diego: Norv Turner is the biggest douch in the world of sports. I still like him cause he gives the chiefs an actual chance nearly every year of making the playoffs.
San Diego should have more rings than brady by now but their quarterback is finaly coming into a groove in his third year as a starter. His team made him get to the playoffs in the past. But hey he threw for 180 yards this week 1 TD and 2 INT with a 58 qb rating how was his performance? The only thing standing the way of the san diego chargers is the san diego chargers and well maybe the chiefs if we can play with the physicality necessary to win.
I’m glad you all share your intensity for the game with one another on here but I just hate people who are so closed minded about something so open like winning on sunday. It comes down to the players on the field on sunday I feel like a major problem is our fans who already write in a L for the next week on monday. This is just not the way I remember it being in the past when we lost. Just give another shot against this next team
Tennessee: Has only played some of the worst teams in the game at this point in the season and they are part of the reason they look so bad. They took advantage of their opponents weaknesses and capitalized. They are playing real football and we should and already are modeled after them. Read this it has some interesting points especially since it was written before the Denver game
http://kcchiefs.com/news/2008/09/26/its_been_done_before/
All you guys talk about is how we are one of the worst teams, but you never realize the reality we are curently and you can’t some up with any reasonable alternatives to what the Chiefs are doing. St. Louis will continue to suck giant donkey dick for a while they have no fans we still have 60000 people who show up and give their heart and sole to the best franchise in the NFL “The Kansas City CHIEFS!!”.
Croyle will get a win his next game I can guarantee it. I will eat my sock if he does not. But I would also be surprised to bring him back before the bye week. I think Huard will get cruched vs. Carolina unless we throw the quick dump passes like screens all game. Hopefully we teach our new o-line how to perfect the screen. Where is Grunhard Szott Shields when you need them to someone. Larry will have to do it again on the ground to get the play action to D-bowe deep. If Huard does win against carolina I see no reason to bring croyle back anyway unless the team feels it is best.
Unfortunately it is a coaches call and if Herm’s philosophy of a player does not lose his position due to injury after healed is still true than croyle will come back but he should play at home and prove to the fans against Tennessee that we now have a team that can win and we should all go paint the town red with the blood of the titans metaphorically speaking of course. He can also prove all naysayers wrong when he wins just one game with his arm. But he would still be just 1-9 to you so thats why I say 11-5 cause I hope he comes back and the team around him plays well enough to win to give a chance to use his real skills. He would finish the season 9-9 and going to some place like Buffalo at team we played once at home and beat.
Have anyone of you looked remotely close at the Giants history over the past four five years its remarkable how a coach so hated by his fans to leave in Tom Coughlin could put the rabbit out of his hat and go the distance without New York’s best back in Tiki Barber. Eli finally got his shit together and played like a pro thats what we need to expect to happen or our season and future looks bleak, but it is still not too late and the player realized that this week.
Sorry for the book, but I hope you get a better perspective from where I’m coming from and stop saying stupid shit, I admit I do it too. We do need to get better as a team and as fans but that’s what happens when you are young you only get better as long as you try you always learn at least that’s the way I see life as a 21 year old I have only got better at everything I do every year exceeding the potential of the prior year.
Comment by Jake — September 30, 2008 @ 10:04 am
Croyle would not be 9-9 at the end of the season my bad. More like 10-11 not good enough for you but good enough for me especially he manages a post season win to get back to .500 Talk about gravy baby We would all be high on that Arrowhead air. Yeah probably won’t happen, but you have to dream it before it can happen and don’t you think that is what every player is dreaming for. They just want to win and Croyle didn’t really make anymore mistakes this year than Huard so I would say we have to give him another chance or an eleventh chance however you see it.
Comment by Jake — September 30, 2008 @ 10:16 am
I know the Chiefs won last Sunday, but I think the Chiefs should fire Herm Edwards and hire Lane Kiffin immediately! Living out here in the San Francisco Bay Area, seeing how incredibly stupid Al Davis has been acting these last 5 years and watching Lane Kiffin, I think the Chief players would respond to Kiffin’s approach. He actually tries to score and will throw the ball down field, go figure. Kiffin isn’t the reason the Raiders suck, and I do think Herm is part of the reason that the Chiefs do… just some thoughts.
Comment by Jeff — September 30, 2008 @ 11:02 am
Jake:
“Real fans” knew what we were getting with Edwards, and cannot wait until he is gone. This guy is an absolute joke, and has been his whole career. His greatest asset has been to blame Dick Vermeil for the situation Edwards himself put them in. What a LOSER!! I’ll say it again, LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by ohmixmaster — September 30, 2008 @ 8:31 pm
Jake,
Is your “I love Herm” tee shirt autographed by any chance???
Dennis
Comment by dennis — October 1, 2008 @ 9:59 am
We got a players coach and now that he has his players we will see what his players do on the field on sunday. Don’t talk about Johnson or Gonzo not being his players both resigned after he showed and are probably the only reason he took the job besides Trent Green starting 80 games in a row.
Comment by Jake — October 1, 2008 @ 11:48 am
Jake,
Elway did not play in the game when the Chiefs got crushed years ago during the ‘Monday Night Meltdown.’ Bubby Brister was QB.
Comment by JP — October 1, 2008 @ 4:45 pm
Also, I’d like to thank Herm for getting the ball back, up by 7 points, and throwing a safe pass to Tony G on the last drive to get his 3 yards for the all-time TE receiving record. That was the biggest Hermf… of all time. Tony G left the stadium without a comment. Has anyone seen Tony G pissed before??
Comment by JP — October 1, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
The only reason Tony was pissed cause all his family didn’t get to be there for it. He is not selfish enough to say he needed three yards and thats why he’s pissed. Upset but not angry about winning the fucking game. They were going for tony in the 4th quarter stop your bitching
Comment by Jake — October 2, 2008 @ 4:55 pm
Jake,
I guess you haven’t heard but Tony was pissed and Herm justified it by saying that he (Herm) is all about the team and not individual records. Tony deserved to set the record in front of his home town fans and Herm denied him that. Hell, Lane Kiffen was doing a much better job with the Raiders and he was fired, Marty had a 14-2 record with the Chargers and he was fired but Herm is allowed to win once in 14 games and he deserves a chance. He took the Jets and ruined them and then comes here and turns a pround franchise into the laughing stock of the NFL.
Comment by Mark — October 3, 2008 @ 11:26 am
“Bucs: I love this team it has been my second favorite team ever since the late 90s when their defense played the most physical football I had ever seen besides the chiefs of course. I always dreamed of having lynch brooks barber alstott on the chiefs, but we had similar but different talent Thomas Gonzo Richardson Warfield Carter.”
My god in heaven!! Since when did Warfield become “talent”? This guy’s “talent” lay in binge drinking and being an extra man on the field for opposing offences. His “talent” was being burned several times a game against our opposition. But then again, you believe Herm Edwards has the slightest clue what he is doing. You’re as ignorant as he is, and not suprisingly, your show the same kind of ignorance Herm does; ignorant but convinced you’re right. WOW!!!!
“Norv Turner is the biggest douch in the world of sports. I still like him cause he gives the chiefs an actual chance nearly every year of making the playoffs.”
Norv may not be the best head coach, but he is a fantastic OC. Oh wait, he runs the Don C offence, and won superbowls with it. His offences probably socre too fast, god forbid they do that.
Comment by ohmixmaster — October 6, 2008 @ 6:38 am
“I guess you haven’t heard but Tony was pissed and Herm justified it by saying that he (Herm) is all about the team and not individual records. Tony deserved to set the record in front of his home town fans and Herm denied him that. Hell, Lane Kiffen was doing a much better job with the Raiders and he was fired, Marty had a 14-2 record with the Chargers and he was fired but Herm is allowed to win once in 14 games and he deserves a chance. He took the Jets and ruined them and then comes here and turns a pround franchise into the laughing stock of the NFL.”
You got that right Mark!!!
Tony G is and has been more important to this organization than Herm the loser will ever be.
Comment by ohmixmaster — October 6, 2008 @ 6:40 am
st louis is proof IT IS OFTEN THE COACH and in our case “Herm the Team Destroyer†has got to go.
Comment by ed f — October 19, 2008 @ 10:01 pm