As for the any demands CP placed on Herm, I think we are seeing them. They are friends, period. We needed a coach, Herm wanted a new job, problem solved. If you haven’t noticed, we have the most unsuccessful GM in the history of professional sports; backing an incapable coach. And your comment regarding Miami and Atlanta turn around is crazy. They are succeding due to a combination of players and coaches, although I lean toward the coaching. What has the “wildcat” formation done for Miami? In Atlanta, Ryan’s armstrength and accuracy in combination with his intelligence have enabled them to use their passing attack to open up their running game, but that comes from the coaching.

J-Rock, I have to disagree with your quarterback comparison. Matt Schaub is very good, Derek Anderson missed camp and I think they are simply don’t have their timing and Braylon Edwards only catches half the balls he should, David Garrard is a very good game manager. As far as Leftwich, hard to argue with Monday nights game against a pretty good defense.

this is what i posted on Oct 10th. 2008. I still don’t understand why you got such a boner for Allen. Morgan obviously hasn’t made a HUGE contribution to the team yet but as he learns he adds the depth we need in the secondary. Charles and Albert are doing great if you ask me. Especially if you look at last weeks game. so we traded 7 sacks so far for a new rb that is capable of compiling 100 yards in a game, a lt that is great (for a rookie, every rookie has growing pains), and depth in the secondary. I think it was worth it. Get over you steer boy J. Allen cuz he’s not comming back.

His .350 (14-26 record)is only behind Paul Wiggin (.314) and Crash Ganz (.267). If wins 1 or fewer games the rest of this season he will have the second worst winning percentage in team history. 0 wins = .292, 1 win = .313, 2 wins = .333, 3 wins = .354.

Just think how pathetic his record/winning percentage would be if he didn’t have satan…um, I mean Vermeil’s players that first year.

Last year there were 8 teams that won 5 or fewer games (there were no 6 win teams). Of those 8 teams 3 have new head coaches coming into the season (Miami, Baltimore, Atlanta) and each of those teams have equaled or surpassed their win total from last year at the half-way point of the season.

Three more of those teams have fired their head coaches already this season (Oakland, St Louis, San Fran). Oakland has 2 wins so they are theoretically on pace to equal their 4 wins from last year, St Louis has won 2 games and should surpass their 3 wins from last year. San Francisco is the only one of these 3 to be off pace from their 5 win total from last year (2 wins so far this year), but at least they had the balls to make a change.

The only teams to have coaches still in place from last year are the Jets and Chiefs. The Jets have already passed last year’s win total with 5 wins to date. Herm is the only coach still in place who looks to have a worse record than than their previous year’s god awful record.

JD did praise the QB play in his Jets column. It was Herm who actually was downplaying it, saying we got lucky because the Jets weren’t ready for the spread offense. I copied the post for you:

EDWARDS: “It’s like anything else, if people get a bead on what you’re doing the first thing they do is attack you. We caught the Jets a little bit by surprise because we stayed in it a lot and they hadn’t practiced it.”

JD: Are you saying the Chiefs offense just got lucky? Are you really invalidating the best quarterback play we’ve had in two years? I’m not surprised though, since it proves the Hermcuffs actually do bind an offense. Herm “The Team Comes First” Edwards would rather dismiss his own coaches and players than admit his way doesn’t work.

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Jake, winning too early? Are you kidding? That’s a stupid comment, even for you.

Herm himself said 2007 was the start of the rebuilding, not 2008. Do you not believe your head coach?

Even so, this is Tony Sparano’s first year (mia), and this is Mike Smith’s first year (atl), yet they are successfull.

Here is another one. ANY fool knows it takes a good offensive line for a RB to be successful.

The fact is our quarterback has put two good performances back to back which is something we have not had since 2006. If thigpen can come out and play like a pro (or better than any quarterback since the 2005 trent green) for a third game we will have ourselves a team. You talk about leadership, but you don’t talk about our quarterback play and how we have actually been in position to win the last two games only because of him leading the people around him on the field………Jake

Thats exactly the point. We are in position to win but ONLY in the first half. After the first half, Sperm turns Chan Gailey into Mike Solari. Another thing. We can be up by 28 but with the pass rush we have (or lack there of), its like being up by only 3. Thigpin has played well 2 out of the 3 games he started. It takes more than those few games to win me over. I see this too often. Look at Derrek Anderson, Tavarius Jackson, David Gerrald, Matt Shaub, Kyle Boller, Vince Young, Duante Culpepper, Alex Smith, David Carr, and Byron Leftwich. What do all those guys have in common. They had one or two good years and now they suck.

For this comment….Turnovers are fine, but no one remembers how many turnovers you get when you give up 425 yards and 30 points.

Offenses:
Brandon Albert 1 year (Herm’s),
Brian Waters 6 years (Vermeils)
Rudy Niswanger 3 years (Herms),
Adrian Jones pick with the Jets…. 5 years (Herms),
Damion McIntosh 2 years (Herms),
Dwayne Bowe 2 years (Herm),
Devard Darling 5 year vet 1st with Chiefs (Herm),
Tony G (Gunther Cunningham or Marty),
Mike Cox 1 year (Herm),
LJ (Vermeil)
Tyler Thigpin 2 years (Herm)

Defense:
Turk Mcbride 2 years (Herm)
Tank Tyler 2 years (Herm)
Glenn Dorsey 1 year (Herm)
Tamba Hali 3 years (Herm)
DJ 4 years (Vermeil)
Pat Thomas 4 year vet from Jax ( Herm)
Demario Williams 4 year vet FA (Herm)
Jared Page 3 year (Herm)
Bernard Pollard 3 year (Herm)
Brandon Flowers 1 year (Herm)
Brandon Carr 1 year (Herm)

Now looking at this lineup, it clearly shows that Herm is not in the first year of rebuilding. Most of the players were drafted and FAs were signed during Herm’s era. I guess he got you sold on that “This is year one of rebuilding” bullcrap!!!!!!!!!

The important difference is they realize it takes a lot more than drafting to be build a competent (and maybe “great”) team. Every team drafts and hopes. But that’s only a small part of it.

I find it interesting that you think it’s better for a rookie to learn to lose than to win. Maybe if we had some actual leadership on this team, they would know how to handle a win.

We saw what happens when our young team wins too early. We lost two games in a row after kicking some donkey ass. Losing for a young team is tough and productive. It affects everything completely different from winning its different for rookies than any other players too. We are saving money by letting the young kids play we will only keep the “good” ones after this year anyway.

you said: “It’s so funny that Herm supporters can’t explain why Herm needs 4-5 years to make the team good, but Atlanta and Miami can do it in one.”

I say: I don’t want a good I want a team that can dominate in every aspect of the game. I will repeat myself The 2008 season is Herm’s rookie team. When he came here I’m sure he was told to win a super bowl in five years. It has not been easy with so many injuries, cause the team lost identity. We decided to pay the big bucks to LJ without finding a qb thinking we would still be able to run the football without the best line in history.

It didn’t work LJ has two maybe three good years left, we have not found a quarterback to replace trent green in Herm’s third year.

The last thing I have to say is the last two games have been very fun to watch because this team is finally starting to show something. Bowe needs to catch every ball thats near him for us to win against san diego. Thigpen will throw a couple picks but we will make those up on defense. forcing 7 turnovers in two games and you have nothing to say about. you don’t know shit about football if you can’t respect a defense at least a little for causing SEVEN turnovers in two games.

We won’t make the playoffs even though statistically possible, but we should have some identity after this season regardless if thigpen becomes the amazing comeback kid or not he deserves a roster spot if he keeps this up. We still need to go after somebody next year and I don’t anybody over 25 starting next year.