why was Dantrell Savage released???

Comment by kcchiefs19692003 — November 19, 2008 @ 2:36 pm

cuz he sucks balls

Comment by chefs — November 19, 2008 @ 2:41 pm

Savage is a shock. But there just isn’t room to have two returner-only guys on the roster. With robinson healthy, I suppose they felt they needed to give him a full shot since they invested a 6th round pick in him. He’s just not viable as an every down back, and we already have Charles as the prototypical 3rd down back.

It’s too bad, i think everyone was rooting for the guy.

If he hadn’t fallen down (and then danced too much) on the KO return this past week, would he of been cut?

Comment by VLTC — November 19, 2008 @ 2:43 pm

What a fucking nightmare!

Comment by Nick — November 19, 2008 @ 3:03 pm

Well said Nick! How much longer are we gonna have to put up with this crap?!

Comment by FlaKCfan — November 19, 2008 @ 4:42 pm

I still do not see another win this season….

Comment by kcchiefs19692003 — November 19, 2008 @ 6:39 pm

Kevin Robinson came back, thats why he got released. That’s his “specialty” so to speak. Jackie Battle is a pretty darn good reserve as a 3rd/4th stringer. Might be able to handle more wear and tear as a RB anyways.

Comment by Marques W. — November 19, 2008 @ 6:44 pm

I can’t believe some of the idiotic comments I read on here. What do you mean “how much longer are we going to put up with this crap?!”
DUDE! It’s not Herm’s or anybody else’s fault that we have countless injuries.
Also for the dumbass that said “I still do not see another win this season” ARE YOU BLIND?!!! HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING THE LAST 4 GAMES??? We have been going to the last second of every game except for the last one which we stayed competitive with- the Saints (the top ranked offense in the NFL) , and that was with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd string guys on defense. The Chargers the week before was the 2nd best Offense in the league, and we went the distance with them.

Here is the rest of the schedule:
Bills, Raiders, Broncos, Chargers, Dolphins, Bengals.

You’re seriously going to say that we won’t beat any of these teams that are left on our list?! You’re freaking kidding me right?
We have gotten lots better than we were at the beginning of the season. I think a lot of people would agree with me on that, and if not then you are a jackass.

We will beat up on the Raiders and Bengals for sure, and we have came close to beating San Diego and beat Denver, so we could beat them as well. Also the Bills are slumping big time. Trent Edwards threw 3 Int’s in the first quarter alone Monday night. That’s not good for them, since we are one of the top teams in turnovers. I think we will beat the Bills.
I think some people get on here and write a bunch of shit, and don’t know what they are talking about. I predict that we win 3 to 4 out of the next 6 games. Mark it down.

Comment by Chief Tom — November 19, 2008 @ 7:56 pm

chief tom our team was so bad that ANY kind of progression seemed like an improvement. they still suck balls

Comment by chefs — November 19, 2008 @ 8:13 pm

THINKS AGIN CLARK AND CARL FOR THIS AWFUL DISGRACE OF A TEAM.FIRE CARL PETERSON

Comment by Chris — November 19, 2008 @ 8:44 pm

I’m sorry Chief Tom, how could I have not seen the improvement. You’re saying we’ll finish, at best, 5-11. Much better than last year! Damn injuries!

Comment by FlaKCfan — November 19, 2008 @ 9:24 pm

Per Wikipedia: Edwards has 2 playoff victories while a coach–which is better than this year. Edwards claims to eat only one and a half meals a day…thus supporting his enormous brain power. Edwards graduated from San Diego State University with a degree in Criminal Justice…his coaching is criminal. Edwards has a ‘tradition’ of not watching the Super Bowl until he himself participates in one…imagine going through life never to watch a super bowl. Edwards has a strict workout regimen that has him in the gym at 4:30 in the morning six days a week…his exercise is to beat his head on the wall. Instead of wearing athletic sneakers with his coaching attire, Edwards wears dress shoes. Before every game, Edwards polishes the shoes himself…when fired he does have some options for a job.

Comment by ed f — November 19, 2008 @ 9:42 pm

You are an ass. You will be eating your words when Herm takes us far. Face it Hunt Jr. likes Herm, and he is going to stay as the coach of K.C.

FlaKcfan- I’m talking about latter half of the season improvement, which has definitely been made. We are the youngest team in the NFL! What do you want in 2 years?! ESPN and NFL Network say we are going to be a good team and a team to worry about playing next year. I believe that, and I didn’t need those idiots to say it for me to believe it.

Comment by Chief Tom — November 19, 2008 @ 11:10 pm

2008 1-9
2007 4-12
2006 9-7 (thanks DV)

Comment by ed f — November 19, 2008 @ 11:38 pm

Right on Chief Tom. Great teams aren’t built in a season. However, mediocre teams that squeak into the playoffs and lose are which is what has happened with the chiefs for 20 yrs. Have some patience even if it does suck right now.

Comment by TD47 — November 19, 2008 @ 11:47 pm

Dick Vermeil took us to the Playoffs one time, and he was with the Chiefs for how long…..???

Comment by Chief Tom — November 19, 2008 @ 11:48 pm

See there TD47 knows what he is talking about. I totally agree.

Comment by Chief Tom — November 19, 2008 @ 11:50 pm

here is the records this year and past

2008 1-9
2007 4-12
2006 9-8 THANKS(DV)PLAYOFFS
2005 10-6
2004 7-9
2003 13-4 thanks(DV)PLAYOFFS

BUT ANYWAY YOU all get it right two playoffs DV 2 HE 0 MS 7

Comment by Michael Diedrich — November 20, 2008 @ 1:21 am

Chief Tom is Jake, has to be, there can’t be two Chiefs fans that stupid. I’m all for being positive here but 1 win in 20 games goes beyond ridiculous. Blame it on youth, injuries or whatever you want to, the main cancer on this team lies in the leadership.

Comment by Mark F. — November 20, 2008 @ 1:27 am

well I think our new QB is doing a great job and he will soon take on the leadership role. He just needs a win. No matter how they get it. I just hope that the Admin sees that he is the best QB we have and don’t go and cut him at the end of the season.

Comment by zyker — November 20, 2008 @ 8:18 am

Great teams aren’t built in a season…but they have a head coach who can …function as a coach…can make correct calls in close games…manage the clock…reward your best players with good play callling…and win few games with less than quality players especially at home.

What does herm the germ pride himself on…he doesn’t use the internet, he doesn’t eat three square meals a day, and he shines his own shoes…I guess if can’t pride yourself on your record or how you have ever developed a player you for this moronic stuff.

Those of you who think the hermicide is doing a good job, please follow him to his next head coaching job—if you can wait that long.

Comment by ed f — November 20, 2008 @ 8:33 am

“Great teams aren’t built in a season…but they have a head coach who can …function as a coach…can make correct calls in close games…manage the clock…reward your best players with good play callling…and win few games with less than quality players especially at home.”

Well said ed f.

Comment by Rocky — November 20, 2008 @ 9:05 am

chief tom,

first off you dont need to call names to people that are expressing their opinion. thats just stupid. second, you say this team has had improvement over the last 4 games against some tough teams. unfortunatly the players that are playing right now are scrubs and reserves, not our “regular” starters. it will take additional time for our regulars to gel once they return. the players that are playing right now are just a band aid trying to stop the bleeding on a severed limb. and just to let you down gently……….herm will FIND a way to lose the rest of the games!! close games like the last 4 losses come down to one thing COACHING DECISIONS!!! you can field a team with superbowl players, but if you put a moron head coach out there they will lose everytime. 3 years herm has been head coach and every season is getting worse!! records speak for them self. as far as d.v., did he have this poor of a year in kc?? or as poor as last year?? these last 2 years with herm have been worse than ’87/’88. check it out for yourself. herm keeps setting records for losing.

Comment by dennis — November 20, 2008 @ 9:15 am

Well Michael Diedrich you must not know anything about building a criminal case because you just fucking lied according to your logic you just proved yourself stupid. You said 2006 was thanks to DV well what was the Jets Playoff run the year Herm left “A fucking accident” he was with the team for five years!

Don’t go making assumptions you can’t uphold. You don’t fucking know me. My name is jake and only jake. The only thing more I can tell is you don’t want to know me or what I do.

We had one of the toughest schedules to-date. Look it up dumb shits. The fact that if we had Larry over the whole season and the way 2nd,3rd,4th,and fifth start Thigpen played from game one against New England I could very easily see a winning team around 6-4 right now at least. But Thigpen was not developed enough yet to be able to accomplish that. This is a perfect situation for him not for a team behind schedule. He knows he has to play perfect in order for his experience lacking team to have only a shot at winning and thus far he has done that 4 out of five games. I’m shocked and amazed at how well a player from D I AA can do with such a “your opinion shitty team”. If we are so bad why do you still have faith enough to be a chiefs fan but still talk like we can’t ever win a game in the future? Fuck you, we will win games in the future and you know who will do it. Herm Edwards will do it and I hope you eat shit. I’m rooting for Herm just to piss all you wanna be’s off. You see it only one way and that’s the head up your own ass approach.

I have a different approach. Who cares its just football. Don’t say what you don’t know. it does not matter how good a coach can play call it comes down to the players every time. The coach handles a lot of responsibilities, but he can never go out on the field and compete. The only reason we have lost is because our competitors have been over matched by more experienced coaches and players. Herm is perfect for this job. No one wants to win more than Herm. He is the hardest working person on the team.

We are rebuilding folks get over yourselves and just write to your hearts content because we all know you wrote down W:0 L:16 because that’s what ignorant self conscious people do when they are not capable of logical thought. Good day!

Comment by jake — November 20, 2008 @ 9:28 am

Dennis who do you want to be coach then? Don’t lie and say we don’t have starters in the games what Adrian Jones was missing from the Offense? Big damn deal he knows what he has to do to play cause he knows Herm. Our offense is intact, but learning every game. That does not mean every game we will score one more field goal or touchdown then the last, but they know what they are capable of. Which is the key to success, knowing strengths and weaknesses.

Defense please. The point you don’t realize is our starting defense was 13th last year and because injury and late blooming offense has some prety horrific stats right now and early in the year. You can’t say that Flowers or Carr won’t develop into some pretty damn good players thanks to Herm. Page and Pollard have been B players overall but they are only in there second year starting. They could play for eight more years whether its as a backup to somebody better or if they develop as the team grows they could start for ten more years.

Linebackers we only have one proven player who can do it for 60 minutes. We need more linebackers I have no clue why we got rid of our leading tackler last year. Bad decision for this year, but there was probably a reason that only a few know.

Front 4: Mcbride IR Johnston IR Tank has played well Dorsey has his ups and downs, room to improve. Boone solid DT not an end. If this team had a solid right end and MLB we could dominate.

We lost our #1 and #2 qbs #2 RB LJ and DJ for several games and expect what from that? I got more than I expected. I have so far seen four impressive games led by #4 if he can put six more competitive games together we make him “the guy”. If we want to do anything next year, it will be with Thigpen and a more together from the get go offense, plus a revamped defense with more experience than having four-six rookies starting. Try 1-2 rookies starting on defense next year. See where that takes us and barring injuries & suspensions I have us winning the division and having a home playoff game next year with Herm as our Head Coach smiling with his shiny shoes.

Comment by jake — November 20, 2008 @ 9:45 am

Last year we didn’t go 4-12 we finished 0-9 the only thing to improve on is the second half of seasons. Shit we were leading the division for a game last year at 4-3 at that point our ideas superseded our talent plus no LJ and qb who?

Anyway what I am saying is when we finish the last six games at 4-2 you would have to be a blind fool to not see improvement over last year.

The first six games our opponents scored 90 more points than we did. In our last four games our opponents have scored 18 more point than us. If we finish the next six games at even or better than we had to had improved from 90 point deficit to even over the last ten games of 2008.

You win games with points not Head Coaches or GM’s.

Finally we have stopped talking about our inability to score but you blind mfs don’t even stop and say oh hey wow we actually have an offense now that has not been true since 2005. Hey maybe that’s a sign of HUGE improvement.

Comment by jake — November 20, 2008 @ 9:56 am

Im pretty sure some one will pick up Savage and he will excel. I liked the guy. He reminded me of a shifty Mike Hart.

Comment by JRock in Texas — November 20, 2008 @ 10:42 am

Jake, you might be the biggest tool i’ve ever come across. “you don’t want to know me or what i do” hahahahaha, you’re some fat lonely toolpiece who pays old women to pee on him. F OFF you thesis paper writing fag. Go get a ur herm edwards coffee mug refilled so you can write 10 more pages of shit. 1-20, definitely improving. LOL. You should be a GM yourself Jakiepoo. So, the NFL doesn’t care about wins and loses? It cares about effort, losing close games, and gives you a pass if you have injuries? Idiot, last time i checked you got into the playoffs based on your RECORD. Seems like you live in a pee wee pop warner league imbetween your ears. I tell you what jake, at least you tried. GOOD JOB! Keep up the almost good work.

Comment by dbowe82 — November 20, 2008 @ 11:41 am

Wow..after reading a lot of the comments, I just realized, Chiefs have a lot of fans that are MORONS.

Key: a win is a f&*^ win, by 1 or 2 points. If you pay for good players and good coaching staff, common sense, your going to get a win.

How many Chiefs went to the pro-bowl when Montana and Allen joined???? hmmmmm

Comment by VegasPunisher — November 20, 2008 @ 2:13 pm

Wow..after reading a lot of the comments, I just realized, Chiefs have a lot of fans that are MORONS.

Comment by VegasPunisher

nah its just chief tom and jake

Comment by chefs — November 20, 2008 @ 5:32 pm

All this is one more reason why herm and carl need to leave kc. the chiefs have historically had one of the most passionate, and loyal and respected fan bases in the nfl. now look at us, we are divided on a decision to keep two people that dont even play. Dont get me wrong, my name is the petition too, but damn, this is goten out of hand. ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME. one of 3 things is going to happen here, either we lose out and “win” a top two draft pick or we finish strong dont make the playoffs and screw the draft all and give freakin clark hunt jr 1 more reason to keep the dynamic duo around, or fire them both and look to a brighter future and never speak of these “dark ages’ ever again. stop the hate against each other gentleman, the love for this team should unite us, not tear us apart.

Comment by chieffogg — November 20, 2008 @ 5:35 pm

Hey dbowe82, there are alot of ticked off chiefs fans around, me being one of many, BUT….. what jake said makes some sense, and NO Im not living in a dream world where fat ladies pee on me and watch pop warner, (gotta admit I laughed). I dont like Herm either but they are getting better every week. Rebuilding is painful even a HARDCOREFAN knows it takes time, and Im sure if you could do a betterjob than sperm edwards YOU would have the job!!! GO CHIEFS!!!!!!

Comment by hardcorefan — November 20, 2008 @ 5:51 pm

jake never makes sense your just another kool-aid idiot.

Comment by chefs — November 20, 2008 @ 6:36 pm

thanks man coming from a guy who cant spell CHIEFS that makes me feel so much inferior to you….NOT!!! ok I didnt say everything he said was right, just some of it makes a little sense. We all want the CHIEFS to improve and we all want change, so I guess if I am a kool-aid idiot, at least I am a hardcorefan, koolaid lovin idiot!! who knows they will get better it just takes time.

Comment by hardcorefan — November 20, 2008 @ 6:50 pm

I think that Chief Tom is really Heam Edwards. Get a clue Chief Tom. We don’t want Herm Edwards, we want a real leader. Not someone who will tell us to “Deal with it” because he has destroyed our team.

Comment by Bryan — November 20, 2008 @ 6:55 pm

i spell it that way on purpose you idiot. jesus

Comment by chefs — November 20, 2008 @ 8:05 pm

i know you do I was just fuckn with ya!! I seriously think that there are alot o uptight people who are chiefs fans. I know that together that carl and herm couldnt open a box, but they are what we have to deal with, so i just try to keep a positive attitude….. GO CHIEFS!!

Comment by hardcorefan — November 20, 2008 @ 8:24 pm

It’s so funny when people say, “well if you could’ve done better than you would be the head coach.” I have a hard time stomaching that a fellow chief fan could be so ignorant. So you think that everyone in every position in the world is the most qualified and best possible candidate? Hmmmm…. i think after my first job at price chopper @ age 16 i learned that was crap. Trust me, humans in business make mistakes. Some mistakes are clearer than others, like the chiefs record as of late. I just don’t understand the idea of being happy about losing close games. Rebuilding? Last time i checked this was year 3. It’s just sad when our standards have been lowered to the point that we’re giving out merit based on effort. This isn’t the fat kid dodgeball league, it’s the National Fucking Football League where people make a very good living in return for supposedly good performance. If you go to a seafood restaurant every sunday for 4 months for years upon years and love the food and the service, and then out of nowhere your soup has pubes in it and the service sucks. Do you as a consumer, have the right to complain? Some people think you don’t. If you were the business owner of the restaurant and your regular customers were upset, would you want to know? I would, it seems to fall in line with a business owner mindset. Some people say to “keep positive” and “notice that they’re trying”, but i say i’m a consumer and a fan. A real fan can call a spade a spade. Regardless of our difference of opinion, we are all chiefs fans and i would like nothing more than to see our beloved chiefs turn things around, not in effort, but in results. Jake, my comments were pretty raw and i probably took it too far. A friend of the chiefs is a friend of mine, no matter if we agree. So, my bad. GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by dbowe82 — November 20, 2008 @ 9:18 pm

I like how everyone out there has all of the right answers. I especially love the herm sucks and fire everyone.
Well to all you who know how to run a football franchise why are you spending your time here? I mean a lot of you have all of the skills necessary to manage a whole football team. Talent evaluation, draft day preparation, daily schedule, hiring coaches. If i were as capable as sooooo many of you i would be out there making the big bucks. Not trying to decide which one of us girls is gonna go out with the prom king.
I’m not saying that the chiefs have the right building blocks to build on but i know at this point that winning means NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!! We are not going to the playoffs so why care who plays. This whole season was one big preseason.
Or would you all rather this team go 10-7 every year and get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs and be in the same spot we are now NO WHERE!
Do we need a new GM maybe, a new coach maybe. I can tell you one thing though. Anyone who posts here has ZERO say in what is going to happen. So you are entitled to an opinion but that is it. Dont act like you actually know anything.

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — November 20, 2008 @ 9:23 pm

Thanks googley, so some people come here to have opinions and discuss local entertainment, which the chiefs happen to be, and others (like yourself) come here to tell people that since they’re not an NFL head coach or GM that their opinion means crap. Awesome job man. You’re probably the guy who goes to church services to interrupt and say “there is no god”, huh? You’re the guy who sits down to pee, and tells people that their opinion means nothing. I’d hate to see someone complain about the president or the government around you, lol. You’d say, “Well smarty pants, since you know so much, how come you aren’t the president or senator.” LOL Googley, you might like living in china, you should look into it. So, according to googley, if you get bad soup, and you’re not an executive chef, you better not complain. Googley, tuck up the mangina and get with it.

Comment by dbowe82 — November 20, 2008 @ 9:48 pm

well stated googleymoogley!! we are all fan and all I can say is Im a devoted fan win or lose bitch and moan…. GO CHIEFS!!

Comment by hardcorefan — November 20, 2008 @ 9:50 pm

Oh, and by the way, when was the last time the chiefs went 10-7? Maybe i wasn’t born yet when the NFL changed from 17 game seasons. Googleymoney, will you please clarify? I’ve never heard of such a record. So were the chiefs 4-13 last year? For those of you who weren’t english majors, this is called IGNORANCE. Rock on googley, not enough people know how stupid you are yet, so just keep posting.

Comment by dbowe82 — November 20, 2008 @ 9:53 pm

GoogleyMoogley is right when he says he loves hearing… “herm sucks and fire everyone.” The owner, if there is one, should be saying it too.

Comment by ed f — November 20, 2008 @ 11:45 pm

Jake….

where do I start….
first off, I didnt mean that we have NONE of our starters playing…I meant we dont have alot of our starters starting. what i should have said was, “unfortunatly the players that are playing right now are MOSTLY scrubs and reserves, not our “regular” starters. (my bad!!)

second..”who do i want to be head coach”? i WANT jason garret. i know that he is not available though. but i would like to see him in KC. now a young smart coach that could be here for a lot of years is what the chiefs need. some one to grow with (just like YOU say about players).

third…. you said “but they know what they are capable of. Which is the key to success”….. sorry, but i thought executing was the key to success. (again, my bad)

fourth…. you said “The point you don’t realize is our starting defense was 13th last year”……and where are we now??? and to prove my first point, you say “because of injury”….hello, thats what i was talking about!!! you said “We lost our #1 and #2 qbs #2 RB LJ and DJ for several games and expect what from that?”…. I can tell you what to expect from that..SCRUBS AND RESERVES!!!!

fifth……you said “I have us winning the division and having a home playoff game next year with Herm as our Head Coach smiling with his shiny shoes.” well then you certainly got part of that right….he WILL have some shiney shoes!!! and didn’t you say earlier this year that we would make the playoffs??? and what was your pre- or early season prediction for the team??? wasnt it something like 10-6???

sixth……you say “Last year we didn’t go 4-12 we finished 0-9″……..WTF???? did i miss something?? what happened to the other 7??? dont all nfl teams count 16 games a year??

seventh…….you say “Anyway what I am saying is when we finish the last six games at 4-2 you would have to be a blind fool to not see improvement over last year.” …….again, WTF??? are you talking about going 4-2 at the end of THIS year?? as the say on the internet LMAO!!

eight…….. you say “The first six games our opponents scored 90 more points than we did. In our last four games our opponents have scored 18 more point than us.” and what was our record the first six games as aposed to the last 4 games. so, if i understand you right we should let our opponents to score 90 more points than we do so we can win 1 more game?

jake you just dont make sense, probably cause your young….or maybe you just need to pull your head out of herms ass and take a look around.

JUST MY OPINION!!!

Comment by dennis — November 21, 2008 @ 12:04 am

can one of you herm supporters out there explain to me why herm edwards should not be fired? name 1 other franchise that would keep the head coach and gm around after only winning 1 game all year, cause thats where we are heading. And just for the benefit of the doubr, lets say for some odd reason we end up winning 3 more games and go 4-12 again, why should they be kept around? what is it going to take for clark hunt jr to get the picture? and why is it that for some odd reason they both still have supporters? please explain, and dont give this bullshit about injuries, because even with our starters we prob wouldnt win 4 games. has there been improvement, a little, but how good can a team be without good leadership?

Comment by chieffogg — November 21, 2008 @ 11:09 am

and no im not a gm or a head coach or a player or someone that knows how to run a football team or a business major or a really smart guy. Im a freakin idiot. you dont have to be a genius to see how retarded it would be to keep the dynamic duo around.

Comment by chieffogg — November 21, 2008 @ 11:13 am

No you don’t have to be a GM or ex-player, coach, etc…to have all of the skills necessary to manage a whole football team. You just have to love the game of football and have enough business sense put the right people in place to do the jobs. If your owner loves the game he gets winners to run things. Showing up at every home game to support the team you own might also be a good idea or indicator of your passion for the game.

Comment by Rocky — November 21, 2008 @ 11:56 am

No your just a fucking one eyed fool. What I was saying if you payed more attention in your literature classes is that there is plenty of improvement this season the direction we are headed is positive as long as we keep build on our improvements over the last four games.

sixth……you say “Last year we didn’t go 4-12 we finished 0-9″……..WTF???? did i miss something?? what happened to the other 7??? dont all nfl teams count 16 games a year??

Your right they do count 16 games but to analyze a team you don’t talk about generalities you speak of specifics obviously i’m on a different level of intellect than you sorry you can’t keep up.

Comment by jake — November 21, 2008 @ 12:19 pm

Just because I’m young doesn’t mean I’m dumb just means I haven’t put with as much crap as a ripe old man. I don’t waste time talking about senseless bullshit. Straight to the point is my motto and getting straight to the point.

Do I want Herm as our Head Coach? Yes, for one more year. Not to give him a shot as something Herculean, but because Lamar was satisfied with his work ethic to keep him for five years while the franchise rebuilds a stadium. Clark is just letting his dad’s wishes follow through, His tough decision comes after next year.

Carl Peterson is a businessman to say the most. He is here to pinch pennies and mentor overachieving RB’s once they hit the wall. We all know Carl’s mistakes and we all should know his time here is coming to an end. The sooner the better.

This Season: It is not a bust we are vastly improved over last season regardless of what dumbshit wants to talk about 1-15 4-12 ball sucking records don’t matter when there are no hopes for the playoffs. We will be better the second half of this season compared to the second half of last season. (Fact so long as TT can keep playing like a pro)

Next Season: We very easily could make the playoffs next year in this division every year (Fact). Our chances greatly improve if we have a starting qb capable of playing 16 games at a competitive level somewhere around 95 qb rating with 3 TD for every INT. TT is at 8TD and 1 INT since taking the helm at One Arrowhead Drive. (That one pick was a desperation throw to begin with didn’t affect outcome of the game)

Without a QB we will never win games. You should all be praising Jesus we finally have someone worth the toyota he drove in with.

I know I don’t like to lose, but there is a difference between losing honorably and losing with shamefulness. The first two thirds of games while rotating qb’s we lost shamefully. Since we have started one quarterback four weeks in a row we have lost with at least some honor maybe that shit dos not matter to you but I wear red a little more proudly when I can say we don’t have problems putting up touchdowns. We just have problems puting up touchdowns in the second half and that’s what this season has become if we are going to move forward it has to be with the second half. The funny part is we started last season with not allowing a second half touchdown for a several games if I remember correctly. We should have gone 1-15 last year to be honest the oakland game was lucky the home opener last year made me feel sick for the first time after a win! And the the infamous Cinci game that we dominated in the first half and then decided to not play another game the same way. The Packers games was respectable, until the four horsemen came to town and took our only chance of being something. The rest was just a matter of losing to win. I’m not so sure that isn’t what we are doing right now again, but that shit needs to stop. If we are ever going to do anything no matter who the coach is we need to start by closing out this year the the old chiefs used to. Winning in December, good news and bad news. We play bad teams from here on, thats the good news and the bad news. Cause if we win, we only beat some shitty teams, but if we lose we lost because we are the worst. I know we are not the worst team. But as someone else said to win we need to get ahead by 3 scores I see us doin that four more times this season. I don’t mean 9 points either when I say three scores I mean at least 17 point advantage = definition of a three score lead.

There is two jake’s but most that stuff I wrote and will now be referring to myself as ChiefJT to add more confusion to your underachieving cerebrums.

Comment by jake now ChiefJT — November 21, 2008 @ 12:56 pm

The only one to handle Herm Edwards correctly was Buddy Ryan. In 1986 as the new eagles coach, he fired hermie as a player. Then established one of the best defenses in the NFL with smarter better players.

Comment by ed f — November 21, 2008 @ 2:29 pm

jake, or chiefJT……… another insightful display of inteligence!!!!! cudos my friend!! you are young and obviously the smartest SOB in here. let me guess……you must be Herms advisor, or as all herm supporters say “you should be head coach” or you just so happen to know how to fix things (other than firing herm)(hell i would rather have YOU as head coach that herm). how EXACTLY do you think going 1-9 this year so far is improvement over last year. and dont give the bs that our young players are getting more experience. if you havnt noticed the NFL determines who is best by their RECORD!!! i am so sick and tired of hearing just wait until next year. YOU yourself professed that we would win our division this year and make the playoffs. so alot you know. and just fyi, i didnt take any literature classes, but i do have one eye . and out of that one eye i can certanly see more clearly than you can.

Comment by dennis — November 21, 2008 @ 5:08 pm

chiefJT………….oh ya……JUST MY OPINION!!!!!!!

Comment by dennis — November 21, 2008 @ 5:09 pm

Hey all, I am a fairly new Chiefs fan. (last 2 years of DV era through now) As you can see, I am not a little bitch bandwagoner like most people who find their “favorite team” after that team wins the Super Bowl… What I have seen with the way this place operates is pure shit and it all revolves around King Carl.

Look who we have lost because the bastard either won’t place nice or just STFU and sign our best players that we have lost to other teams. I shouldn’t even have to mention Jared Allen. I mean, fuckin a, he was our best damn player we have produced and we just let Minnesota take him from us without even trying. How much better would our defense be this year? The statistics prove that we are getting destroyed by teams because we can’t get any pass rush going. How many more picks would our new badass ROOKIE corners (Flowers, Carr) have if they didn’t have to have perfect coverage nearly every time just to stop the fucking first down or TD because the QB can just sit there for 10 seconds and throw?!?

Its fucking pathetic BS that we lose guys that could make us a powerhouse (at least on Defense) We can always rebuild offense, big deal. But when we can’t stop a team at all on the ground (which is pathetic shit) or the pass at least semi-effectively we are fucked no matter how many points we score with our Shotgun only patchwork offense.

If you people blame this season mostly on Herm Edwards you are the one who is an idiot. Do you really think it is Gunther that is making all of these 2nd, 3rd string guys actually keep up with the Saints or the Chargers? We didnt even have a defense until he got here!!!

We lost Allen, obviously the biggest loss, we lost Mitchell (who will probably have a good game against us), we lost Wesley, who could have been a great mentor to Page… when the hell are they going to wake up and just fucking pay these guys that bleed red and gold… Its such bullshit. Anyone that knows anything about how the NFL works know that it starts with the person who writes the checks and who they write them for. All along for how ever many years its been CP and he sucks ass at his job.

Comment by RednGold4LIFE — November 21, 2008 @ 6:59 pm

redngold4life…..

I agree with most of what you say……..all but the “not herms fault”. now bear with me and think about this. herm said the first year he was here that he loves to play young players and young players WILL play (not saying that is right or wrong). this is herms philosophy, to play young players, he has said that many times. now i am not blaming everything on herm by himself. it is between him, cp (king carl), and now ch(clark hunt). Wesley, mitchell, and even allen did not fit the mold of the “youth movement”. now allen wasnt old (4 years for out team) but he had “trade value”. which meant we could get MORE (unproven)youth with his trade. to make my point about the youth movement mold, lets go back and also think about t-rich, trent green, weigman etc. these were “old players” and did not fit that mold, so cp and herm got rid of them. remember when herm said that the qb spot was up for tryouts (refering to trent)?? now tell me that wasnt herm’s statement!! and i do think it is Gunther that is getting these young players to play as well as they are now (which aint much), but he is also working with what is given him. Gun was BAD ASS back in the 90′s but i am starting to wonder if he has lost his touch. I really DON’T think herm has much to do with it.

to further my point, i understand that herm and cp dont go on the field and make plays, the players do that. but the only way young players do well is to be coached well. and i understand that herm WANTS to do good, but he just doesnt perform well as a head coach. either you got it or you dont. herm hasnt proven any thing in that department. some say herm took us to the playoffs in 06, true herm was head coach of our playoff team in 06, but that was 95% dv’s team and dv’s staff. and if you remember we “back doored” the playoffs that year by all the other tie breakers losing that sunday (including S.F beating the Donkeys at home (still lmao)). but all in all, good coaches have winning records with what ever team they field (ie dungy, marty, dv, belichick, lombardi, hell even shanahan(good coach but i hate him)). herm doesnt even have a winning record. i do believe we “could” have been in a position to make the playoffs this year if it wasnt for some stupid moves and some untimely play calling by who ever “plays to win the game & 21 points is alot of points, and 30 points..thats arena league”. (hint, hint)

So…..please dont think i am bashing or berating your statement…..just telling you the reasons why “i” dont thing herms hands are “clean” of the mess that we are in.

I have a dear friend that is a misguided raider fan. i just dont want our team to wind up in THEIR position, and that is ALWAYS waiting until “next year”. every year they think they will be better but they aren’t. just dont want our team to go down that road.

Comment by dennis — November 21, 2008 @ 9:07 pm

Michael Drydick- You mean thanks Herm for the 2006 playoffs, not DV. And how could we have been 9-8 dumbass? It was 9-7, there are only 16 games in a season.

Comment by Chief Tom — November 22, 2008 @ 1:30 am

Herm is not the problem. I will not disagree that Carl P. is the problem, but you guys better get used to the idea of Herm being around for a while. He will be with us next year, and I love it. He’s the one. A lot of you impatient fools just don’t realize it yet.

I would also be willing to bet when he does turn everything around that most of you on here would still be negative towards him just because you don’t want to have to eat your words.

He’s here for a couple more years. deal with it. support your coach. Bunch of damn whiners.

Comment by Chief Tom — November 22, 2008 @ 2:05 am

Look at this dumbass that calls himself D Bowe82. You definitely should not be having that handle. D Bowe has optimism towards his team and jumps into the crowd after every TD despite our horrible record. You are a neigh sayer, and a drag to be around I bet when it comes to Chiefs games. I have been a Chiefs fan for a very long time, and want really badly to have a winning team again, but I’m not a crying ass bitch like you about it. I bet if you said all the shit you are saying to us to D. Bowe he would laugh at you, and then proceed to bitch slap the shit out of you.

Comment by Chief Tom — November 22, 2008 @ 2:17 am

dennis..

What I really should have said, is that its not ALL Herm’s fault. He is a really good coach and mentor in many ways, but in critical area’s it seems like he doesn’t have what it takes. What I am talking about is the cerebral instinct you see in other coaches that “will” their teams into winning. You see Herm get dissapointed on the sideline, you see him look aggravated, but you don’t see him giving his players that look as if to get the fuck out there and play ball. Go kick someone’s ass, go smash some face, get your ass in the endzone… shit like that. He is great with the young guys, but he needs to be harder on them. This is the NFL for christ’s sake, no one gives a shit unless you win games.

Finally, we aren’t so predictable anymore with his extremely conservative approach to offense. You could see the tide shift that first game where Tyler was the new QB (not counting ATL)… and thank Jesus for this. Herm’s offensive pull was and still is 95% gone and this offense is now completely Chan’s offense. You dont see the same damn screen pass 10 times a game becauase Herm is not the one influencing the plays. He needs to focus on the defense with Gunther and get this shit rolling again like it was last year and let the offense take care of itself.

Comment by RednGold4LIFE — November 22, 2008 @ 9:06 am

Well dbowe82
You proved my point exactly.
I NEVER said someone was not entitled to an opinion. Just stating that that opinion does not entitle them to be better than everyone else. I can think the soup is bad and then to fix that problem not eat there again. I not like a politician and then not vote for him. I don’t need to take it further and sit on an Internet message board and complain all day long about i know how to fix it. So right now the chiefs suck and the coaching staff seems to be inept at fixing the problem. I’M just stating that until you personally sit in on all team meetings, personal evaluations, practices that you will never be able to accurately judge what is wrong with this franchise. You can be and outsider looking in and accusing everything but until you actually do some research and have some fact your opinion is MEANINGLESS.
I mean i can come out here and claim your a freaking IDIOT but i don’t know you, never met you and will never know who you are. So by your logic because i said your a moron, with no other information, it must be true.
As far as the NFL being more than 17 games… It was just trying to show a point jackass not be 100 percent correct.
Just in that post you proved my point again. I had an opinion and while not 100% mathematically correct still an opinion. Yet instead of reading it and logically disagreeing you had do make it a point to call me out personally and attack my intelligence.
So again you are entitled to an opinion but your opinion entitles you to absolutely nothing.

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — November 22, 2008 @ 11:47 am

dennis, I bet you wash balls for a living.

Comment by Chief Tom — November 22, 2008 @ 1:48 pm

Googley, so we all need to do more research to validate our opinions that are all speculative anyway? is 1-9 a good record? apparently that depends on who you talk to. This is simple 3rd grade stuff here so stay with me ok google and tom. When someone says that something is “good” or “bad” or a coach is doing a “good” or “bad” job, or if the team is “progressing” or “regressing”, those aren’t facts. Those are beliefs. Facts, and beliefs are very different things. So, you and tom BELIEVE that 1-20 is the right track. Good job, you have an opinion on something. I BELIEVE that 1-20, albeit they’re trying and herm is “playing to win the game”, sucks ass. So, we disagree. Maybe it’s due to differing personal standards and being used to doing things and doing things well. It’s easy to forget sometimes that some people really just fail at life. Kind of like when you say that you’re tired of the chiefs repeatedly going 10-7, and then saying that it’s mathematically incorrect but still you’re opinion? I can’t believe i have to break this down for you. Now you’re dealing in the realm of FACTS. The chiefs sucked last year – That’s an opinion, because some people might think that beating an NFL team four times in a season is an accomplishment. The chiefs keep going 10-7 – FACT. That’s not your opinion Einstein. That’s an incorrect FACT. And what was you’re dramatic point made by saying 10-7 instead of 10-6? Drastic measure? Doesn’t make sense any way you slice it. Please let us all know what research we need to do to have an opinion, meanwhile you should research how many games are in the NFL regular season and try and learn how to validate an argument, because it was tough to follow. Tom, so you’re telling me that dbowe is tickled pink by being 5-21 in the NFL? You don’t think he would like some change? You think he looks at the way Tony G. was treated by carl and supports that? really? I don’t know him personally so it’s all speculative again, same as your assumptions that he would “bitch slap me” for saying that his coach and gm who have won 1 game all season, suck and need to be fired. For some reason the two of you have a similar underlying problem of throwing things out there, without a little self cross-examination. If you can’t look at your own beliefs and be critical and challenge yourself, then you’re going to look pretty foolish when you jump into debates like this. BTW, Tom, are you a Native American Tribal Chief? are you a member of the Kansas City Chief’s organization? Probably no and no, so your handle doesn’t make logical sense either. You can have whatever name you want and so can I. Don’t hate on people for the sake of hating on someone. You won’t get very far in life doing that.

Comment by dbowe82 — November 22, 2008 @ 3:21 pm

Queertom,

dont know what i said that pisses you off so much (other than your a herm lover), but now that you mention it, i do wash balls for a living. but i dont lick balls for fun like you.
have a nice day asshole

oh and by the way. your opinion is just as stupid and useless as everyone elses (acording to you)

Comment by dennis — November 22, 2008 @ 4:17 pm

RednGold4LIFE,

I do respect your opinion on herm, but i do not agree. dont know if your right or i am right, only time will tell. all other points i can agree with you on. seems that you are sick and tired of the losing bs and bad play calling like most of the other people on this board. i assume that you got my point on why i hate herm, although you do not agree, thats fine and EVERYONE deserves their oppinion!!! i am just saying that right now things are not working. i think we can all agree on that. i wish along with the youth movement we could rebuild the front offices also. carl, herm, all coaches that are not pulling their weight. i just have not been convinced that we will be any better next year if herm remains head coach. again, just my opinion. oh and thanks for not doing any name calling. everyone is just up tight and taking offence to everything that is said. we all just want to win, and have different opinions on how to do it.

Comment by dennis — November 22, 2008 @ 4:31 pm

i like this dbowe guy he knows what hes talking about.

Comment by chefs — November 22, 2008 @ 9:22 pm

Wow hes really stuck on my 10 and 6 comment.
I guess what I’m getting at is it doesn’t matter your record 30 out of the 32 teams are not going to make it to the superbowl. Would you rather have your team start out 13-0 and then loose in the first round of the playoffs or go with only a couple of wins and be in the same spot superbowl sunday.
I would agree that Carl Peterson needs to go and get a fresh new set if ideas for a GM. I would also agree with everyone saying that this team is a joke right now. Play calling to time management. They seem to be good enough to loose every game. Do i like going 1-20 no. Do i feel i have a right to not be happy with the product yes. However what else can be don’t to rectify this current situation??
Should i sit here on this message board hoping that some of my comments will appeal to clark hunt and things get changed?? Or do i realize that of the 64 posts before mine and any after mean nothing other than more data to be stored on this data base. The only vote we have as NFL fans is to not support the team in hopes it will make the people in the right place do something about it.
So if you want change then stop watching the games, stop going to games, stop purchasing merchandise and leave all the message boards.
If someone does not like the product that is the chiefs then there are 31 other teams to check out.
I am more than happy to admit that there will be some fallacies in my posts and that i am not a genius. Thats fine with me.
I just realize that this issue holds not actual meaning at all. It dosent really matter what happens from here because it will never be good enough for anyone ever. 10 new coaches, 3 new GMs 2 superbowls and someone will ALWAYS have something to bitch about.
Yet time and time again on people everywhere still continue this ongoing struggle of futility of trying to fix something that can never be repaired because no matter how good something is, its never good enough.

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — November 23, 2008 @ 2:44 am

What was the topic again??

Comment by Travis — November 23, 2008 @ 1:42 pm

All I really care about is the new record that Herm’s team set this week………54 points. Highest total ever in the history of the Kansas City Chiefs. When will it end?

Comment by NCCHIEFSFAN — November 23, 2008 @ 4:08 pm

ncchiefsfan,

dont forget about the other record herm set this week. 1-10, worst start in franchise history (including the strike year, where there were non-pro replacements!!! THANKS HERM!!!!

Comment by dennis — November 23, 2008 @ 4:28 pm

I’m taking all my comments about Herm back. He came here as a coach who emphasizes defense. Obviousily, he does know what he is doing. With his clock management and ability to make adjustments at half time how can we fail? Have we heard who is blaming this week? “Fouls and turnovers” —- good coaches don’t allow this. “They (Bills) are playing for a playoff position” –therefore good coaches rollover for them.

Mr. Edwards indicated we just need to rebound from this. At this point, with so many chances, herm should be an expert at rebounding from horrible games.

Comment by ed f — November 23, 2008 @ 4:50 pm

welcome to the dark side, ed

Comment by dennis — November 23, 2008 @ 5:55 pm

glad you finally saw the light ed f. i can see jds column already ” 2 new records for herm ” LOL what a joke ass coach.

Comment by chefs — November 23, 2008 @ 6:56 pm

chefs,

jd’s column will read “54 points, thats not football, not even arena league, thats basketball”

lol

and “herm tops himself”.

how many records does herm hold for the cheifs in his first 3 years, anybody know???

Comment by dennis — November 23, 2008 @ 9:46 pm

Too many! But he’s doing “good job”…..yeah right!

Comment by FlaKCfan — November 24, 2008 @ 9:19 am

classic, where are all the herm supporters at? i want to know the party line this week. How our defense minded coach gave up 50 plus to buffalo and TRENT EDWARDS? Chief tom, googley, and jake’s vaginas are bleeding as we speak. Go chiefs!

Comment by dbowe82 — November 24, 2008 @ 12:56 pm

It’s glaringly obvious at this point that chief tom, googleymoney, and jake were the fat kids at sports and are a perfect example of what happens when kids in younger aged sports don’t keep score anymore. The last place 5th grader still gets a championship trophy. What crap. How will kids ever learn that they’re not the best at everything and that’s ok. Everyone has something great about them, but this is the problem with treating everyone like they won the 4th grade baseball league, when they didn’t. You end up with jakes, toms, and googleys who have a hard time understanding what results are. You’re the type of parent that if your teenager kept complaining about feeling fat, you’d say, “no, you’re just the way you are and there’s nothing wrong with that.” I, on the other hand, would say,” I love you just the way you are, but if you don’t like being overweight and want to avoid weekly doctor visits and diabetes, then maybe start your day off with a brisk jog or walk.” Jake, tom, and google all got as many trophies as the real champions, so now they have to stick up for anyone who sucks, like HERM AND CARL. The blind conformists seem to be silent right now, as expected. Go work your 12 step program to get your leaky beavers under control.

Comment by dbowe82 — November 24, 2008 @ 5:36 pm

Ahh dbowe82
I’m still wondering if you have actually read my posts?
I never said I’m a herm and carl supporter. No did i ever imply that i am not a chiefs fan.
I’m getting at the fact that sooo many people who have no power to change the situation think that they do.
So people like you turn what should be a discussion into a name calling competition.
I’m all for talking about what is in the chiefs future. Will Bill Cowher come to the chiefs. Will anyone actually be fired at the end of the season? Who will be drafted.
I’m simply stating that most people can not even do this in an intelligent matter.
Comments like the second post. “why was savage released.?” Response “caz he sucks ballz.” Or we should draft crabtree and a response “dude are you a f’in moron how stupid can you be. Or perhaps your last comments about fat kids in sports. Last time I checked a first grader could come up with that same line.
I’m willing to have an intelligent discussion with chiefs fans, not with a bunch of Internet trolls who want to antagonize you for any little thing that is said.
So again i will state that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that opinion entitles them to nothing.

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — November 24, 2008 @ 7:07 pm

googley, i feel bad for you. Good luck in life. BTW, you’re stupid comment that you seem to continue throwing out there makes NO SENSE, i quote “So again i will state that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that opinion entitles them to nothing.” Do you want to know what my opinion entitles me to? The freaking ability to voice it, and protest, and withhold business if i chose to. It’s called the constitution my little uneducated muffin, you should look into it. I’m entitled to VOICE my opinion, or WRITE my opinion, or TYPE my opinion. That’s what i’m entitled to. Guess what? people are entitled to write their opinion even if it’s “caz he sucks balls.” On a very honest note, you are missing elementary building blocks of intelligence, i.e. simple math skills, lack of awareness of constitutional RIGHTS(which happen to trump your so called ENTITLEMENTS)etc. Sorry if i ruffled your feathers, i’m starting to feel guilty for beating up on a lil guy. So post away and i’m done with you. We’ll nicely disagree. Have a great day googley, and i know we both hope the chiefs can pull off a “W” this week, so we’ll go with that.

Comment by dbowe82 — November 24, 2008 @ 7:18 pm

“cuz he sucks balls”

LOLOL i was just joking guys i kind of have a reaction where i answer questions as rudely sarcastic as possible. so no i dont think he sucks balls, i think hes a VERY mediocre player people were getting upset over.

i love how this article became like a chiefs fan chat room lol.

btw i like voicing my opinion on boards like these just to see if anyone else feels the same way i do. im happy that most chiefs fans say that herm and carl need to go. if we stop buying the product clark hunt will see it eventually. the word needs to be spread. clark knows that there is a money-making kansas city football team if the team goes back to winning. hell i think the stands would be full the next game if we let herm go right now lol.

Comment by chefs — November 24, 2008 @ 7:54 pm

i think we should move the chat room to jds column but thats just me haha

Comment by chefs — November 24, 2008 @ 7:56 pm

Dbowe again thanks for proving my point.
I was hoping that i wouldn’t have to explain my comment but it seems I need to elaborate. Yes you are entitled to your own opinion, i will 100 percent agree with that. You however seem to prove my second point over and over and over again.
Dictionary: to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something; furnish with grounds for laying claim: His executive position entitled him to certain courtesies rarely accorded others:
Sooo my point is, while yes you can have an opinion but that does not make you right. Lets take that thought one step further.
::We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.::
So the constitution says form a more perfect union, ensure domestic tranquility, and promote the general welfare. So do you think the founding fathers thought general welfare and ensure domestic tranquility was saying “you are missing elementary building blocks of intelligence, i.e. simple math skills” or ” Jake, you might be the biggest tool i’ve ever come across” about someone else under the same document??
Ok ok ok lets make this real simple. An opinion is not fact. Yet you mock people about their opinions. If an opinion is not a fact then how can someone be mocked about something that is neithor right or wrong. Its is because someone gets a sence of entitlement from their opinion.
Its ok if you dont respond. I understand because you think your better than me you can declare that your “done” with me. Wait you think your better than me… hmmmm sounds like a sence of entitlement????

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — November 24, 2008 @ 9:50 pm

Dbowe again thanks for proving my point.
I was hoping that i wouldn’t have to explain my comment but it seems I need to elaborate. Yes you are entitled to your own opinion, i will 100 percent agree with that. You however seem to prove my second point over and over and over again.
Dictionary: to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something; furnish with grounds for laying claim: His executive position entitled him to certain courtesies rarely accorded others:
Sooo my point is, while yes you can have an opinion but that does not make you right. Lets take that thought one step further.
::We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.::
So the constitution says form a more perfect union, ensure domestic tranquility, and promote the general welfare. So do you think the founding fathers thought general welfare and ensure domestic tranquility was saying “you are missing elementary building blocks of intelligence, i.e. simple math skills” or ” Jake, you might be the biggest tool i’ve ever come across” about someone else under the same document??
Ok ok ok lets make this real simple. An opinion is not fact. Yet you mock people about their opinions. If an opinion is not a fact then how can someone be mocked about something that is neither right or wrong. Its is because someone gets a sense of entitlement from their opinion.
Its ok if you dont respond. I understand because you think your better than me you can declare that your “done” with me. Wait you think your better than me… hmmmm sounds like a sense of entitlement????

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — November 24, 2008 @ 9:50 pm

Kind sir, you continue to build a deeper and deeper hole. First of all, what’s YOUR definition of entitlement, you can wikipedia that just the same way i’m sure you researched one page of the constitution and somehow twisted it to saying that it’s “unconstitutional” to state that i think your opinion is stupid? huh? what happened to freedom of speech? did you get that far in your newfound research? I’ll quote you again, “Ok ok ok lets make this real simple. An opinion is not fact. Yet you mock people about their opinions. If an opinion is not a fact then how can someone be mocked about something that is neither right or wrong. Its is because someone gets a sense of entitlement from their opinion.
Its ok if you dont respond. I understand because you think your better than me you can declare that your “done” with me. Wait you think your better than me… hmmmm sounds like a sense of entitlement????” I feel like i’m back in the educational system here. I should charge you for this. You’re right, an opinion isn’t a fact(which i think i told you on an earlier post) so touche, you’re correct about that. so when you stated earlier,”I’m just stating that most people cannot do this in an intelligent manner comments like the second post. “why was savage released.?” Response “caz he sucks ballz.” Or we should draft crabtree and a response “dude are you a f’in moron how stupid can you be. Or perhaps your last comments about fat kids in sports. Last time I checked a first grader could come up with that same line.
I’m willing to have an intelligent discussion with chiefs fans, not with a bunch of Internet trolls who want to antagonize you for any little thing that is said.” Didn’t you JUST do what you JUST were complaining about? You must be a few different people on the same name who fail to read eachothers earlier posts. I can’t believe you quoted a snippet from the constitution, and then interpreted as saying that people can’t criticize others, that people can’t freely disagree(even in a rude manner). I really hope that myself and no one else feels the need to break down how insanely stupid that is. Save up, go to college, and understand that our founding fathers(who you brought up) wanted exactly the opposite of what you are speaking of. Do you know why the revolutionary war occurred? You know that we were trying to escape persecution based on religious beliefs, economic beliefs(trying to separate from the central church of england) and a capitalistic society. WE FOUNDED THIS COUNTRY ON BEING ABLE TO FREELY EXPRESS OURSELVES AS LONG AS WE DON’T INFLICT PHYSICAL DAMAGE TO SOMEONE OR THEIR PROPERTY. So, if your feelings are SOOOOO hurt by a little abrasive criticism, then maybe you should go to china as a earlier stated. Then you can hug bunny rabbits and be a socialist, and if anyone says something that makes you cry, then they could be persecuted. If i were you i wouldn’t delve into world government issues, you might find there are a lot of people like you in other countries. Do you think that rap music should be censored so as to not hurt your feelings?
What about R rated movies, people get offended daily by all media outlets. How baseless your interpretation of the constitution is is sad to hear as an american. BTW, if you’re going to try and debate me, you can’t use my same argument and then say it’s yours. It looks very immature.

My response “This is simple 3rd grade stuff here so stay with me ok google and toms repeatedly going 10-7, and then saying that it’s mathematically incorrect but still you’re opinion? I can’t believe i have to break this down for you. Now you’re dealing in the realm of FACTS. The chiefs sucked last year – That’s an opinion, because some people might think that beating an NFL team four times in a season is an accomplishment. The chiefs keep going 10-7 – FACT. That’s not your opinion Einstein. That’s an incorrect FACT.”

Now let’s hear captain original’s own argument “Ok ok ok lets make this real simple. An opinion is not fact. Yet you mock people about their opinions. If an opinion is not a fact then how can someone be mocked about something that is neither right or wrong.” hmmmm. good question, how could someone mock someone about their opinions?
let’s take a look, Googleymoney said,”

#

I like how everyone out there has all of the right answers. I especially love the herm sucks and fire everyone.
Well to all you who know how to run a football franchise why are you spending your time here? I mean a lot of you have all of the skills necessary to manage a whole football team. Talent evaluation, draft day preparation, daily schedule, hiring coaches. If i were as capable as sooooo many of you i would be out there making the big bucks. Not trying to decide which one of us girls is gonna go out with the prom king.
I’m not saying that the chiefs have the right building blocks to build on but i know at this point that winning means NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!! We are not going to the playoffs so why care who plays. This whole season was one big preseason.
Or would you all rather this team go 10-7 every year and get eliminated in the first round of the playoffs and be in the same spot we are now NO WHERE!
Do we need a new GM maybe, a new coach maybe. I can tell you one thing though. Anyone who posts here has ZERO say in what is going to happen. So you are entitled to an opinion but that is it. Dont act like you actually know anything.

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — November 20, 2008 @ 9:23 pm

So, again, you don’t even know what you’re arguing or what side you’re on. You switch sides more than madonna

I don’t have time to continue mashing your little brain. Ooops, just called you a name. The 2nd ammendment is against that right? oh, nevermind that’s absolutely RETARDED. Goodbye my googley special friend. Make sure you wear a helmet when you’re operating a motor vehicle, just for your own safety. SMILEY FACE

One more thing, what courtesies am i requesting by saying that your opinion doesn’t seem to make sense? You brought out the dictionary, so at least have the vernacular to understand what it means. Sense of entitlement means that i deserve a higher level of rights within a community than others. So what am i requesting? I’ve tried to retrace my steps to when i asked for money, or a new job, or labor, etc. I don’t remember doing that. BUT last time i checked, you stated that unless i have a better idea or could do better myself that i and all other upset chiefs fans should shut up. You wrote a good page on it so i will cut and paste if you can’t read well enough to find it. SO…..since you’re making demands upon people’s actions(not commenting without due experience) THAT my middleschool friend is the REAL definition of entitlement. Not me saying that you’re an idiot. If i said you were an idiot and should never be able to comment negatively or comment unless it falls in line with my opion. THAT’S entitlement. A dictionary will only get you so far if you can’t understand it. Same as the constitution. That was THE MOST liberal interpretation of the constitution i’ve ever heard and i’ve listened to my fair share of msnbc and keith olberman. The real question here is, by stating your piece from the constitution, are you really telling us all that the constitution states that i can’t freely disagree with someone? even if they’re sensitive and get their feelings hurt? come on man. At this point i feel like i’m helping a special ed kid learn about life. So keep it coming, this will do you a lot of good one day when you enter the workforce.

Comment by dbowe82 — November 24, 2008 @ 10:58 pm

“Wait you think your better than me… hmmmm sounds like a sense of entitlement????” – googleymoney No, that’s not a sense of entitlement, that’s my personal opinion. If i had a sense of entitlement i would expect you to either change your opinion to fall in line with mine, OR i would expect you to never post here again.” But ya, i know i’m better than you. Still not entitlement. You’ve got to understand these “not so big” words before you slang ‘em around.

Comment by dbowe82 — November 24, 2008 @ 11:02 pm

Wow ill make this one short.
Since I’m such a uneducated retard i obviously wasn’t able to finish that post. So if your so much better than me, knowing that I’m dumb, you wouldn’t have gone to such length to explain yourself.
How many times do i have to say that i believe that everyone can have an opinion. I think that’s great. I also believe that as you state it you can freely disagree with someone. That to i believe in.
I do not however think that those founding fathers came together and put the constitution together called each other special ed kids or unintelligent. I believe they all understood that each one of them brought something different to the discussion that agree/disagree helped in forming the basis of our current government. But I’m sure each and everyone of them thought they were wayyy better than the other guy.
So you may think I’m an internet troll calling you out. I believe that i am trying to have a discussion with you to understand your point of view in an intelligent manner, to then influence my opinion. I have yet to question your intelligence. I may have brought other information i though relevant to the discussion, in an attempt to have you see it my way. Where you have done nothing to downgrade and belittle me.
I do think it is funny that you keep thinking ill go away. Like i read your post and thought wow everything this guy says it totally right. I mean wow he has exactly the right answer for every dumb thing i post and lets me know what that is. I wonder though isn’t that what i have been talking about the whole time? About people who think they are always right and think everyone else who doesn’t see it their way are dumb?

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — November 25, 2008 @ 8:58 pm

Googley, i honestly don’t know you, or your intellectual capacity. I’ll be honest with you ok? I’ll drop my pride and shoot you straight, and i hope you will do the same in response. You are a chiefs fan. I am a chiefs fan. I LOVE the chiefs. It seems you LOVE the chiefs. That makes me happy. To me, the more chiefs fans, the merrier. We obviously have fundamental differences on many matters. I apologize for any personal insults or character attacks. That was not my intention when beginning to post, but i seem to have let my emotions get the best of me and attacked you, and i apologize. My source of frustration solely stems from the lack of success of my favorite sports team of all time. I grew up going to arrowhead and football season only matters to me because of my beloved team in which i was raised.
We differ in our opinions as far as the direction of the team. That’s ok. I would like nothing more than for next year you and myself to have a good laugh about all this, because hopefully in the near future things get turned around(with herm and carl or not). I REALLY love the chiefs. I’m bummed that we’ve been sucking as of the last few years and i probably dumped some of that of people here who might not agree with the details of how to right the ship. So, yet again, i apologize. How about we both come to the general consensus that we both share a common goal- to see the chiefs succeed by whatever avenue possible. It would be sweet if the next time some tool ass broncos or raiders fan shows up here, we could be a united front to shut their punk ass down. I would get much more satisfaction from that than bantering back and forth with my fellow chiefs fans. So, i’m ready to bury the hatchett, because i think we both could agree that this mud-slinging that we’re both doing is accomplishing nothing. The only reason i’m saying this to YOU is because you seem to have a genuine piece of you that seems to want the same. Tell me if i’ve got you wrong, but i think you love the chiefs just as i do. So, i hope you have a great thanksgiving, and who knows, maybe we could throw a few brews back and cheer on our beloved chiefs one day. Sincerely,

DBOWE82

Comment by dbowe82 — November 25, 2008 @ 10:51 pm

And just for the record, our founding fathers locked themselves in courtrooms and had fistfights (literally) regarding differences of opinions. There were actually documented cases of people not returning to early congressional meetings due to being hospitalized because of physical injuries from the brawls and disagreements. So, our founding fathers didn’t see eye to eye, to say the least. The verbal battles that you and i have incurred pail in comparison to those of our founding fathers. So, let’s learn from them and be true americans and learn to work together for a common goal- The chiefs getting back to what you and i love. I might be naive, but i think if all chiefs fans ban together and send in letters and petitions to the organization, that some impact can be made. Hell, the browns have benched their pro bowl qb mainly because of fan criticism. Same as with the firing of matt millen in detroit. So, who knows, maybe us angry and disagreeing fans can come together and get some things done. I am open to any constructive criticism, and i myself do apologize for being so abrasive and rude to my fellow chief fans. I’d love to bury the hatchet with a few boulevard wheats someday. Early happy thanksgiving to all of you, because whether or not you think i’m ignorant or stupid or overly aggressive, we all have plenty to be thankful for. And i am thankful for all of you that i am able to discuss our beloved team with(even if we disagree

Comment by dbowe82 — November 25, 2008 @ 10:59 pm

Alrighty then cool. I understand your frustration with the chiefs. I just don’t really see a quick fix. I do however want to be able to say i was there in the worst times, when things get going.
Look at the patriots. They were a team at one time that looked like the chiefs we see now. I believe there are better days ahead. I also think we need to go in a different direction in management. I don’t know if it is all herm or the culmination of everything. I do know this, carl peterson needs to modify his approach or move on an let someone else try. If it starts at the top then its not herms fault its his.
I to am sorry if i made you angry. I guess my original post was more intended for those bronco/raider trolls that so often think they have all the answers about someone else’s team.
So again sorry if i made a chiefs fan angry. Not my intention at all.
And yes i would be more than happy to go after any of those other fans any time.

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — November 26, 2008 @ 4:43 pm

I look forward to the day we can all unite and tag team some tool ass donkey and raider fans

Comment by dbowe82 — November 26, 2008 @ 7:38 pm