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Chief Thoughts: Saints, Sacks & 4th & 2
November 20th, 2008 @ 9:30 am; by JD
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Who has a worse record over the last 19 games, Detroit or Kansas City?

KC 1-18
Detroit 2-17

Detroit has lost 11 in a row. Does anyone know who Detroit’s last win was against? It was against the Chiefs in game 15 of last season.

But that’s alright since we all know what really counts are moral victories. If you add up those moral victories and throw out all losses were Herm was hamstrung by rookies and injuries, the Chiefs are best team in the league! Of course that was SARCASM.

On the bright side, anyone know who Kansas City and Detroit’s two other combined wins came against? That’s right, everyone’s favorite Denver Donkeys. Detroit beat Denver 44-7 on November 4, 2007.

Chiefs 20, Saints 30

What’s there to say? Again the Chiefs could not score a meaningful offensive touchdown in the second half. As Herm will tell us later, it is definitely NOT halftime adjustments made by the other team.

It’s just a coincidence that after seeing the Chiefs play and having ten minutes in the locker room to discuss it, that the opponents are able to have success and stop Kansas City in the second half.

Last week, everyone in the media was tripping over themselves to credit Herm with “making the right call” and “having the guts” to go for the 2-point conversion at the end of the Chargers game.

With 10 minutes left in the Saints game (KC losing of course), the Chiefs had 4th & 2 at the Saints 40-yard line. What does Herm do? Order a punt of course! Where was “the guts”? What happened to Herm “making the right call”?

Maybe last week he was just giving in to the players to avoid a mutiny, but Herm “The Spineless” Edwards’ true colors came through again.

Apparently Herm thought the NFL’s #32 defense would stop the NFL’s #1 offense. Who knows?

Sacks

Adam Teicher wrote this for the KC Star on 11/17/08:

“Dorsey’s sack was one of just six for the Chiefs so far this season, an embarrassing total so low that it threatens an NFL record. The mark for a 16-game season is 13, set by Baltimore in 1981, and the Chiefs at their current pace won’t even get to 10. (Jared) Allen has eight sacks for the Vikings.”

EDWARDS: “(Allen) was with us last year and he got (15.5) sacks and we still went 4-12. We got better at a lot of positions through that trade. They’re all good players. It worked out well for both parties. Now, it doesn’t show up on the win list for us right now, but we did good for what we’re trying to do. We lost a heck of a player. At the end of the day, it was the right thing to do.”

JD: Herm “I Didn’t See that Coming” Edwards says this like JA’s sacks didn’t matter, when actually it’s going to show that JA’s sacks helped get us up to 4-12, and without him we would be 1-15 or 2-14. Once again Herm is on pace to shatter a new record for losing. Clark should sign him to a long term contract now so we don’t lose someone of this caliber!

Hermisms

Q: Has your team forgotten how to win?

EDWARDS: “I don’t know if it’s forgotten because there are so many young guys. It’s up to the players at the end of the day and you know that. The coaches put them in position and from there they’ve got to go on and win. They’ve been in position the last couple of weeks and we haven’t found a way to do it. It just comes from putting them in position. In the last four weeks we’ve done that; we’ve been in position to make some plays in either phase of the game and we haven’t quite done it. The players have to do that. The coaches can make a call and put them in position but they have to pull the trigger and do it.”

JD: Was punting on 4th & 2 on the Saints 40-yard line in the 4th quarter really putting the players “in position” to win? Herm’s 3-Speak returns, except now it’s five times in seven sentences for the phrase “in position”. Me thinks thou protests too much. For the new readers, the more Herm repeats the same point, the less likely it appears to be true.

EDWARDS: “We don’t have a lot of room for error and our last four games have been really, when you think about, they have all gone down to a one-possession game in the fourth quarter, a one score game. You’ve got to score or prevent them from scoring to win the game. It’s been a one-score game and you want to be in that position in the fourth quarter, but you’ve got to close it out.”

JD: Once again, was punting on 4th & 2 on the Saints 40-yard line in the 4th quarter “closing it out”? Hey KC media, when are you going to start calling Herm out on his bullshit?

Q: Is it possible other teams make adjustments at halftime?

EDWARDS: “All teams make adjustments and I don’t think it’s that so much. I just think it’s kind of what’s happened to us, whether it’s a mindset or whatever. If I knew we’d try to fix it.”

JD: Once again, Herm admits to not knowing what to do. He does this every week. How does this guy have a job? Unbelievable.

Q: Special teams have been a problem as you’ve said with new personnel. At this time of year when coaches start cutting down practice time to keep people healthy, do you give any thought to increasing special teams’ allotment of practice time?

EDWARDS: “I do a pretty good job of allotting a lot of time for special teams. If you look back at our (last) four games special teams seem always to be involved. They’re a big part of the game. As I’ve said, special teams plays somewhere between 30 to 33 snaps. It’s not offense or defense. You only get one shot at it, only one shot at the ball and when you make an error it’s big, real big.”

JD: Your long snapper blew a snap that cost the Chiefs a point in a game you lost by one point and you “do a pretty good job”? Are you freakin’ kidding me? If it were me, I would have that guy practicing snaps every minute of every practice.

Q: 18 of Tyler’s 19 completions this past Sunday were to pass catchers. Is that a difference in quarterback or a difference in scheme?

EDWARDS: “I just think it’s more of his confidence in what we’re trying to do, trying to push the ball down the field more. This Chiefs offense is developing as we go. Every week we try to put in a new wrinkle and see what else we can do out of it. So, it’s new. It’s really two or three weeks old.”

JD: Gee Herm, maybe if you tried this offense when you first hired your new coordinator, you wouldn’t have to be learning something new in midseason.

Q: When you get in the Red Zone you’re limited with your creativity obviously. Is it a situation where you’re working on being more creative or just lining up and trying to get that surge?

EDWARDS: “I think as you know you can’t go down there and throw passes all the time. It sounds good and looks good but it really works against you in the fact there is no depth to throw the ball. You can line seven guys in the end zone and there are little pockets in there but most of the time you see in our league now where you’ve got a good receiver and they can throw the ball up in the air, or sometimes they double him and you have to be able to run the ball, too.”

JD: Yet how many red zone touchdowns has Tyler thrown? So I guess it doesn’t really work against you.

EDWARDS: “This past week we tried to run it a couple of times and they got underneath us and we couldn’t get any surge. The one I think we might have been in (for a TD). You’ve got to run the ball down there some and we’ve got a good back that we feel can get it in.”

JD: Let me get this straight, even though Tyler throws red zone touchdowns, you say it doesn’t work, and even though red zone runs DIDN’T work, red zone runs are what we should be doing? Yep, real winner here Clark.

Q: How much of a disadvantage is it for a team to go on the road after playing a Monday night game?

EDWARDS: “It’s somewhat because of the travel and the recovery time. That’s what is always tough, especially this time of the year. What’s even tougher is a Thursday night game. With your body at this time of year you can get some guys hurt and that’s what always scares me. You can imagine what you do in practice. You don’t put pads on; you can’t because it’s not fair to the players. I know it’s great for television and all that but the ones that get in harm’s way are the players. If you’re a good team you’re going to get Thursday night games because it means you’re a winning team and people want to see you.”

JD: So, since you have no Thursday night, Monday night or Sunday night games, what does that mean, Herm?

Q: You talked before of the lack of a pass rush. The coaches can’t really do much about that but ask the players to execute can they?

JD: Did Herm ask this to himself?

EDWARDS: “In this league it never changes: by the middle of November it’s the players. It’s the players time to play. The players know that. Your system is basically in – now our system has changed a bit on offense – but if your football team is intact the players play now. You know where you’re at as a football team. You know if you have a shot as a wildcard contender or are just looking to win some games to get going for next year. Each team is in a different situation but the players have to take it over. That hasn’t changed. That was the way it was when I was in the league and it won’t change. Our guys will have to understand it and they eventually have to go do it.”

JD: Yep, it’s all the players’ fault. Herm always thinks he’s blaming others but in reality, he’s shining the light on his own incompetency. Hey Herm, it’s still your fault since YOU picked these players who “need to make plays”.

EDWARDS: “There is no magical play, or magical calls. You can make some decisions for them but at the end they’ve got to go play and go win.”

JD: Except that since you employed an offense that better suits the skills of the players you have, the team has been playing much better and might have won a couple of games if it wasn’t for your dumb game-day decisions.

EDWARDS: “All you can do is put them in the situation and we have a lot of guys who are learning and getting better and you’ve seen it the last month. We just haven’t found a way to finish it. That’s where we’re at.”

JD: Was punting on 4th & 2 “putting them in a situation” to win? If Dick Juaron tries to outHerm Herm this weekend, I think we could get win #2. Somehow I doubt Herm will let Dick outHerm Herm, but the real question is, will Dick Juaron let Herm outDick him?



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    9 Comments
    1. Herm would have so much more credibility if he had an ounce of accountability. Most coaches take more blame than they deserve (i.e. a “buck stops here” mentality), yet Herm can’t credit himself with a single mistake, constantly blaming players, God, luck, injuries, happenstance, former coaches etc.

      For instance, he was asked this week about the mistake of letting Kawika Mitchell go, especially in light of our current LB woes. Does he admit they should of probably held on to him? No. He says you lose players “for all kinds of reasons” and it just “happens in this league”. Well, it sure wasn’t money, it sure wasn’t cap, it sure wasn’t an overabundance of talent at LB. What was it then Herm? I’m so sick of his “everything bad is out of my control… it just happens” attitude. How can anything ever get better with an attitude like that? People don’t learn anything or get better with that attitude.

      JD, love the “Did Herm ask this to himself?”. The softballs that some of the “reporters” ask are infuriating. They’re not even questions, their propaganda statements.

      Comment by VLTC — November 20, 2008 @ 11:28 am


    2. Let me go on record as officially saying the following:

      “I think Dick could out dick Herm if a wood dick, could dick, Herm.

      Comment by the Hammer formerly known as g.l. — November 20, 2008 @ 2:46 pm


    3. Hammer,

      That’s the direction I was going in, but I didn’t quite get there.

      VLTC,

      Yah, Herm has been saying a lot lately about how “suddenly things happen”, like blowing a lead 3 weeks in a row is akin to a lightning strike, or some other random occurrence that is out of his control. Herm is a politician that will do & say anything to keep his job. It’s sad.

      Comment by JD — November 20, 2008 @ 3:41 pm


    4. what pisses me off most about this loser is that we are always in a one score situation at the end of the game and we lose 90% or more of them. WHY CANT WE EVER BE UP 2 SCORES! HELL EVEN 3! OR 4!

      Comment by chefs — November 20, 2008 @ 5:48 pm


    5. When is it acceptable to punt? That is an answer I never get. Why not just cut Dustin since our D is 32nd, we should just never put anything on them?

      Comment by bonesjackson — November 20, 2008 @ 11:12 pm


    6. bonesjackson,

      It depends on what you are punting. If it’s a head coach with a running 1-18 record, I say you punt him immediately.

      Comment by VLTC — November 21, 2008 @ 1:00 am


    7. bonesjackson,

      When you are losing and it’s 4th & short in the opponent’s territory in the 4th quarter, you go for it.

      All other times you punt.

      Comment by Alex — November 21, 2008 @ 10:40 am


    8. Nice story JD. Herm never takes responsibility that’s for sure. God I hope I don’t have to put up with this next year. Please!!

      Comment by Jeff in VA — November 21, 2008 @ 9:46 pm


    9. Write to Clark. Tell him how you feel about the Chiefs’ current losing streak. Give him suggestions on how to make an immediate improvement in the team. Let him know how much money you will not be spending on his team until it becomes competitive again.

      Clark Hunt c/o The Kansas City Chiefs
      One Arrowhead Drive
      Kansas City, MO 64129
      816.920.9400 phone
      816.924.4570 fax

      Hunt Midwest Enterprises
      8300 NE Underground Dr
      Kansas City, MO 64161
      816-455-2500 phone

      Comment by KC Dave — November 24, 2008 @ 3:01 pm


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