How about “Get over it!” Do you remember Herm saying that little gem TO THE FANS?

I listed 5 things that Herm blames, yet you only fire on me for one. So, I guess you are ok with the other 4.

You can’t debate me with facts, but at least you can call me a name. How old are you, 12?

As for you saying Chiefz D not knowing shiiit? It’s 4th & 1, why is the QB 6 yards deep in the flat? You have a RB who is averaging 9 yards a carry, was he even on the field?

Since the play failed miserably, it’s pretty clear it was a BAD call. So maybe you don’t know shiiit.

Please use your best Herm excuses & tell us why it didn’t work. It was a great play, the players just need to execute, perhaps? I thought Herm didn’t make excuses?

Blaming the Fans?! When did Herm ever blame the fans? I think it’s you that is coming up with all the lies. You’re a lying piece of Herm’s excrement.

Herm just said he does not make excuses, except or the last 3 years he has done nothing but make excuses. Blaming Dick Vermeil, blaming he players, blaming the offensive coordinator, blaming the fans, blaming “suddenly things happen”, and on & on & on.

For him to say he does not make excuses is A LIE. Herm lies all the time & it is easily proven. THAT IS A FACT!!!

We are not traitors for highlighting the fact that Herm is a liar. Maybe you don’t know this, but lying is bad. Lying should also not be allowed to continue. Why? Because lying is bad.

Why is it so hard for you to get that through your thick skull?

That’s great, but you read an awful lot more into the article above than is actually there. All it does above is outline 5 common misconceptions i’ve seen being spread around by Herm supporters in response to the Miami turnaround. If you believe the birthdays for Miami players are incorrect on espn.com, I suggest you take it up with them.

I just present facts in response to those misconceptions. Yes their defense is older and more experienced than ours, just as my numbers point out. On the flip side, their offense and special teams are spectacularly young, even with Pennington, and probably the youngest in the league.

It’s great that you’ve taken the time to break down further information on some of the players regarding experience. However, at no point did I say the Chiefs weren’t young, or did I disparage Thigpen, or say that the Chiefs going younger was wrong. So some of your points are lost on me.

I understand you take exception to calling Herm a liar. As I prefaced, the comment is always open to Clintonian interpretation, and at best Herm was misleading. He also has a strong history of being misleading (read any of JD’s articles).

Breaking down games into plus-or-minus 7 points doesn’t mean much to me. If you say losing by 7 points is about the same as winning by 7 points, I think you’re dead wrong. That’s a difference of 14 points, which is an awful lot, especially for a Herm run offense. In fact, 14 points was our season average last year for an entire game!

Fact is, if you look at points for and points against, Miami has a 146 point advantage so far this year, which averages to 10.4 points/game. That’s a big difference.

But if we must talk about winning/losing close games, then lets talk. I think even the most ardent Herm fan would have trouble arguing that Herm is a good, or even average, game-day manager. So given the fact that he’s a poor game-day coach, couldn’t he single handedly be the difference between winning/losing that close game?

As the last comment in the article points out, I believe you must use all facets to be successful, and that I think the *general* path Miami has so-far taken is a good example to work from.

Not once did the article take exception with the Chiefs drafts while Herm has been here. But then again, player acquisition isn’t really Herm’s primary job function, is it? With the exception of his effective preaching skills, I haven’t really heard any sound arguments for any other average, or above average, head coaching skills that he possesses. As Nathan recently pointed out on this site, Herm has never even been a coordinator. The only thing he’s proven himself at is scouting and DB coach (Tampa Bay). Meanwhile, as a head coach he has a .430 winning percentage and a long history of bad decisions, poor game management, and squandered opportunities.

Anyway, I love the fire and counter-point analysis (even if some was quite peripheral and overly interpretive of what was actually in the article). Keep it up!

I agree with ChiefJT: I predict what will happen to the Chiefs will be the same thing that happened to Tampa Bay and Miami.

Tampa Bay: Out with Tony Dungy and in with John Gruden = Playoffs.

Miami: Out with Cam Cameron and in with Bill Parcells/Tony Sparano = Playoffs.

A change will come at the Head Coach position because we already have and will have, through the upcoming draft and free agency, the players necessary to build a team for the future.

Our seven games decided by a touchdown or less were against The patriots, Jets, Bucs, San Diego twice by a combined two points, and Denver. We beat the Raiders by a touchdown. I would say that Denver and San Diego were the easiest teams we played but two times we were on the road and we dominated San Diego for 55 plus minutes at home. 55 minutes does not get you to the playoffs.

You provide somewhat accurate information to support your argument, but by not providing all the facts its just propaganda.

I would say that right now The Dolphins are a better team, because they can run the ball and have a qb that has not made mistakes. I will add that since the implementation of the spread Tyler Thigpen has 13 TD and 5 INT in 9 games
Pennington has 14 TD and 6 INT on the season. Giving Thigpen the better numbers and He’s practically a rookie. The reason I don’t includ Tyler’s first four appearances one as a starter are simple we had not clue what the f*** we were doing on offense and I don’t blame Tyler for that. Once we had an idea of what we should do he started producing Pro numbers. Pennington is also 8 years older than Tyler and has almost completed 17,000 yards passing and 100 touchdowns in his career. He is good, but not great qb with a career qb rating of over 90, but only two playoff wins(under Herm).

The Miami dolphins started the Season 2-4 And in my opinion that sucks, but their young offensive linemen have been able to come together fast enough to be a good line with only one player more than two years experience.

Their defense, veteran laden to the max with only three players less than 4 years experience two of which who are DE who alternate in 3-4 4-3. Miami has 15 years combined experience in starting CB’s we have less than two. To say that it’s a lie to call the Miami team veteran laden if ignorant.

We have 34 years experience on defense, 31 if Mcbride could play. The Dolphins have 64 years experience when in the 4-3 scheme and a staggering 77 years of experience when in the 3-4 scheme. I don’t see your average of 1.79 years older on defense for Miami unless Miami’s players started going pro when they were all 19 years old.

Miami has found a way to win with a VETERAN defense and a young offensive line. I must add their young line has only given up 25 sacks compared to our 33. Our qb is mobile so that does not say much except our qb has only started 9 games compared to Pennington’s 9 years of experience. They lead the league in Give/Take as well, but only because they have a league low of Gives at 10 the next closest is The Giants at 13. They have only taken the ball away 22 times compared to our T5th highest at 27 League high is 29.

I could spill off stats all day to compare the two the teams, but the simple fact remains Miami is a more experienced team which commits fewer mistakes and has the Wins to show for it. We have done enough on offense in the last eight games to make the playoffs even after starting 1-5 so all we have to do is limit mistakes by the defense late in games and maybe score a touchdown in the fourth quarter and “poof” you have yourself a playoff contending Kansas City Chiefs Team (but only in an off AFC West Year otherwise you need 11-5 to insure playoffs.

Since week 8 the Chiefs have scored 16 more points than Miami but have given up 89 more points.
Simple to say Miami’s strengths are in its relentless defense and mistake avoiding offense.
They have lost one of those eight games we have lost seven due to ineffectiveness of our defense in second half. I truly believe this is due to lack of experience overall and lack of talent at Linebacker.

Everyone says Herm does not have the ability to get his team to score points late in games or rally his defense to produce stops in the 4th quarter. The fact remains we are young and in my opinion the youngest. Being young is not the goal it’s the means to the goal. The reason we didn’t do more in free agency was simply a business decision and based on who was available the only player that could have truly helped us plays for Miami, Joey Porter (17.5 sacks). But why would anyone want to come to KC when they already have a ring and don’t expect us to do much for a while (or at least until we find a qb).

“The housecleaning in 2008 shaved a stunning 3.7 years off the average age of that lineup from 2007 – and the Chiefs overnight have become the youngest team in the NFL. The average age of Kansas City’s lineup is now 25.18 years – second youngest this decade to the 25.13 of the 2003 Baltimore Ravens.” (Rick Gosselin)

I’m not saying Herm will take us to the playoffs, but he sure has created a team that has potential to be great and what we need are two exceptional LB’s. The whole reason we moved DJ to middle was to see if we could get away with picking up LBs for the outside while making DJ the captain because of his tenure.

It’s Dangerous calling someone a liar when you can’t prove it. It’s even more dangerous to look like a team traitor while doing it.

I’m not asking for support I would just ask that you be more accurate when you try to lie. Age does not matter, time on the field dose. We have 53 years experience on Offense Miami has 40. We do have an older offense, but a rookie qb and that’s our leader. Fortunately for us he is playing better than half the qb’s that start on Sunday’s.

At least you folks are pointing fingers at Herm and not the players he picked since you can easily get rid of Herm, but not the 40 plus players he’s brought/drafted to this franchise, some of whom have big time talent. You only play with 22 on O and D and I would say we are missing a great overall package running back who can catch, run, and block. We need more O-line we have some players who have potential but have not been given chance. I truly hope Barry Richardson gets some playing time in the next two games to get some evaluation. We need a RG and Center. Rudy is a quality backup, but he has not proven to be great as of now. We have the left side taken care of. Obviously we need Linebackers but I think we are solid at CB with maybe picking one more in the draft hopefully 6 foot or taller. We are good at safety positions but could move Pollard to a hybrid position and give Morgan more time on the field. We could always use a DE, but I don’t know if I would say it is more vital than linebacker.

So that’s C, RG, 2 OLBs, CB, DE in no specific order We will add more like 12-15 players this coming year compared to 39 so far in the past 12 months, compared to 28 players who were here last year. 25 players of our active 53 man roster were not here last year. What did you expect this year 6-10 maybe 8-8? My opinion is if you don’t make the playoffs you should try and add as much talent as possible we are in position to do that. What will you say when it is Herm’s players that win playoff games in the next few years? He was just a scout right, well what we needed was a scout and hopefully it works out.