hell yeah we need some New England mojo in KCMO

Comment by Stich — January 5, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

I think he would do a good job in KC. He would have a lot of young talent to evaluate and he would definately get us going in the right direction.

Comment by RedNGold4LIFE — January 5, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

What do you guys think he would stick with herm or fire him?

Comment by Chris — January 5, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

I think Kansas City would be a good place for him to prove “he is what they say he is”….. (as per Denny Green)

Comment by Kansas City Krusher — January 5, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

PLEASE SIGN THIS GUY, would make for a very optimistic offseason.

Comment by dbowe82 — January 5, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

I hope he stay a couple of days extra to look for a house…….We really need someone like him to run our organization.

Comment by J Rock in Texas — January 5, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

I don’t know if he would stick with Herm or not. But one thing is for sure, he will go after some free agents. I too like the idea of getting some of that Patriots mojo.

Comment by Jeff in VA — January 5, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

could he possibly do any worse than what we’ve witnessed the past couple of seasons? This is as low as the Chiefs have ever been! There is nowhere to go but up and a good start would be with Pioli. Right now change in the Chiefs organization has got to be a good thing. Credit Clark Hunt with not going too fast and making a choice that fits the team not just now, but also into the foreseable future!

Comment by CJ — January 5, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Pioli and Shanahan would be a great fit, and would really get things going in the right direction. I think Gonzalez would not mind such a move, I understand he is fustrated and he deserves a ring. However, I think it would be sweeter for him and his career if that ring is a KC ring.
I hope it happens. Because, if nothing gets done this year with a GM and a proven coach Arrowhead is going to be very empty.
KC Andy

Comment by Andy Gomez — January 5, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

i was excited when i first heard this, tinking maybe oh he can bring NE QB coach and Cassell but now they are talking about franchising Cassell which would make him really expensive i think.

Comment by FatDaNn — January 6, 2009 @ 2:01 am

If Pioli comes in as GM and does not fire Herm, then I think it is a statement that Clark Hunt definitely picked the wrong man for the job. Wasting another season is not acceptable. If Herm stays, the season is down the tubes before it even starts. We are 2-24 over the last 26 games. I don’t think Herm knows how to coach a winning team. If Pioli is the man everyone says he is, Herm will be out of here so fast his head will swim.

Comment by the Hammer formerly known as g.l. — January 6, 2009 @ 8:32 am

Just heard on ESPN that Clark Hunt is going to Dallas to meet with some guy named Jimmy Ray, some guy who is a college evaluator or in the front of office of sorts with the Chargers. Sounds like he’s a pretty good consideration from what I heard. Although right now, I think Pioli is the fan favorite and I hope we get him.

Comment by Marques — January 6, 2009 @ 12:44 pm

I hope we get Pioli. Hey Marques if that is the same Jimmy Ray that was our offensive Coordinater under Marty Schottenheimer then we definitely don’t want that guy. Am I right on that? His name was Jimmy Ray right? Him and Marty went to the Redskins after they left K.C.

Comment by Chief Tom — January 6, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

By the way, NO SHANAHAN PLEASE!

Comment by Chief Tom — January 6, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

How about Kirk Ferentz as head coach and Pioli as GM

Comment by kcchiefs19692003 — January 6, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

Chief Tom, wanted to let you know that it’s not the Jimmy Raye that was the offensive coordinator a while back but the one they wanted to talk to is his SON I believe.

Comment by Brian — January 6, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Thanks Brian, I hope his son isn’t as conservative as his Dad. That is if we end up with him.

Comment by Chief Tom — January 6, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

Pioli is the obvious choice, and the Patriot’s history proves it. He has received the executive of the year award only 3 times in the last 7, something like that.

I have to admit I am completely shocked by how fast the opinions have changed regarding Herm as coach. The TG post was exhausting to read, and I can’t hardly believe what I was reading. How quickly people forget. Do you think Herm changes his philosophies over the offseason? Allowing the current staff to remain intact would be a disaster. I appreciate TG’s comments, but I am sure his concern is an offensive coordinator and philosophy change rather than the head coach.

The truth is, offensively, we have the necessary weapons and , it appears, the right coordinator. With 2 or 3 Oline picks and maybe a free agent acquisition, we could see a remarkable improvement. Defensively, as much as I love Gunther, we need a total change; mentally, physically, phsychologically, schematically. Dline and linebackers through the draft and free agency. Maybe someone would take LJ for a decent draft pick as well. With the removal of Shanahan (whom we need to STAY AWAY FROM!), it likely means his staff is available as well. Borrowing their run blocking schemes or line coach would be an amazing addition.

Cassell is rumored to be franchised, so there is no way we will go after him regardless of GM, especially with the production from a minimum wage QB, whom TG supports.

Pioli has the blueprint for success, just hope Clark can make it happen. A defense minded coach, that will allow the offensive coordinator to do their job would be an ideal fit.

Comment by Travis — January 7, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Nice post Travis!

Comment by hrivera — January 7, 2009 @ 9:49 am

We might not get Pioli though because Clark doesn’t want to hand over complete control to the GM, and Pioli reportedly wants complete control. We should let Pioli do whatever he wants. DAMN! I’m tired of waiting, we need to make some moves.

Comment by Chief Tom — January 7, 2009 @ 12:57 pm

We should go all the way into making this team better

Comment by Kyle Smith — January 7, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

I wouldn’t mind going with Chris Polian. Indy emphasises building in the draft and they make FA signings count. Pioli would probably be best, but if not him then let’s go with Polian or someone form Pittsburgh (theme: organizations with a specific identity and consistent success).

Either way, Herm is done. Spend the $$$ on Cowher or let the GM bring in the up-and-coming assistant of his choice but let’s not go the college route. Ferentz is an underachiever and the Petrino/Saban experiences really make it hard for me to get excited about a college coach making the jump.

I would like to know if the GM candidates want to take a QB at #3, DE, OL or trade down. Stafford will go 1 and STL will take Andre Smith. The rest of the field is ours…

Comment by Big Booms — January 7, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Everybody wants to get rid of Gunther, but really Gunther was the best with the traditional 4-3 defense. Herm believes in the Cover 2 defense (Tampa 2). Maybe it’s a tough switch.

Comment by Arrowhead — January 7, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

I’d have to agree that it is Herm that thinks the Tampa 2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Every team in the league has seen it for years and have countered.

Comment by Johnny 5 — January 7, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Do what? Tampa 2 refers to the coverage of the dbs and linebackers in zone coverage. What “base” defense do you think that’s run out of? Hmmmmmm….. well the 4 -3. I don’t think some of you people have ever played, or watched for that matter, any football at all. Cover 2 means the dbs drop into zone coverage and you have 2 safeties deep. That’s all. There’s a lot of wiggle room there. So arrowhead or johnny 5, what do you consider a “traditional” 4-3?

Comment by BobDrysdell42 — January 8, 2009 @ 12:04 am

P.S. So you think just run straight man coverage, or a cover 3, or switch to a 3-4 with our personnel? I just don’t understand. Seems like arrowhead played madden once, and johnny 5 saw an opportunity to act smart. If it’s not the case, please clarify because to anyone who’s ever played football for any extended period of time it sounds ignorant.

Comment by BobDrysdell42 — January 8, 2009 @ 12:11 am

The “Cover 2″ comes from having 2 safeties on the field. You can play man or zone depending on the alignment of the offense and how comfortable you feel with the linebackers on the running back or tight end. Most zones are ran when you need an extra man or two to get pressure in the backfield, to shut down a running team, or play prevent(not to lose). Most intimidating defenses play man outside and are effective because of the pressure in the backfield. Corners can play bump and run coverage and by the time the receiver gets back on route, the QB is down or scrambling. Our secondary is more than capable of playing man IF we could get some pressure.

I would like to see us be able to run out of a 4-6, like Buddy Ryan used. That is scary if you have good linebackers.

Comment by Travis — January 8, 2009 @ 12:31 am

back to priority #1 — fire Herm

Comment by ed f — January 8, 2009 @ 9:24 am

BobDrysdell42,
This is a message board for people to voice their ideas, opinions, joys, frustrations, and what not.
I guess if someone wants to put a post on here we should run it by you first?
I suppose I used the term ‘Tampa 2′ too loosely to describe my frustration with the Chiefs’ defensive schemes, soft zone play calls, and lack of defensive talent (D Line).
But to have an arrogant, pompous, know-it-all rube jump all over people for stating their observations is kind of silly.
You can state opionons and (facts for that matter) without taking such a condescending attitude towards others.
‘Fellow’ Chiefs fan? Hardly.

There’s always one in every crowd that knows more than everyone else, and they are unable to communicate their point of view without talking down to and tearing the others down. It’s psychological positioning in converstaion, it stems from childhood, I’ll bet your wife and kids love it.

Comment by Johnny 5 — January 8, 2009 @ 12:16 pm

Ooooh Man!! Johnny 5 just gave it to that Bobby guy. How do you like that Sh!t Bobby?!

Comment by Arrowhead — January 8, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

Big Booms-
I think the Lions will take QB Bradford with the first pick. ESPN has us down to pick Matt Stafford with the 3rd pick. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME! How long has it been sinse we took a QB with our 1st pick? Todd Blackledge? If we don’t go for a QB I would suggest DE over an O-Lineman. We need a leader, a franchise QB.

Okay, give it to me Bobby. Tell me how smart you are and why I have said everything wrong that could possibly be said. Come on BOBBY BOY!!! Maybe you should be Head coach of the Chiefs with the limitless football knowledge that oozes from every oriface of your head.

Comment by Arrowhead — January 8, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

I agree with Arrowhead, lets pick up Bradford or Stafford. If Bradford doesn’t go into the NFL Draft then we will go with the DE because the Lions will have already taken Stafford.

Comment by Chief Tom — January 8, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

Let me first say, I appreciate and respect 99% of the views and comments on this forum.

That being said, drafting a QB is not, in my opinion, what we need to do. Our offense became very successful with Thigpen at QB during the second half of the season. He gives us more options because of his athleticism than most in the league. The offseason work with him in the driver’s seat will promote more confidence and rhythm with the receivers. Not to mention the opportunity to solidify our offensive and defensive lines; why waste the pick?

Maybe I am naive, but the kid deserves a chance. He gave us a chance to win games, rather than standing in the pocket taking sacks (Huard) or unable to make a single play (Croyle). I wanted Croyle to be the guy since he came in and am disappointed that it can’t and won’t happen. But I don’t understand the urgency to replace him. Doesn’t anyone remember what Rich Gannon did for the team, and what happened when we let him go? In case you forgot, he took the Raiders to the AFC Championship game in 2002, could have easily been the Super Bowl. He was also elected to several Pro Bowls. Exactly the same type of player as Thigpen.

We should use a couple picks on offensive linemen, and the rest on the defensive side; linebackers and Dline.

Comment by Travis — January 8, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

Rich Gannon was not the exact same type of player as Tyler Thigpen. If memory serves we could ask Gannon to throw from under center and he would be comfortable doing so. Rich Gannon was also an accurate thrower.

These are both things that Thigpen has shown struggle with. The working from under center thing can be worked on quite a bit during the offseason, and they had better do that if they plan to have any sort of sucess running the football, but as far as his accuracy goes, All I cansay is he had better put in the hours after practice and work with his receivers.

When throwing along the sideline this year he routinely would throw the ball 3-5 yards out of bounds. Between the hashes he didn’t have much problem, but he needs to work with the receivers here as well because he needs to learn what life with out security blanket Gonzales.

Comment by pentekno2 — January 9, 2009 @ 10:35 am

Thigpen is constantly over throwing players. The last game of the season he played awful.

Comment by Chief Tom — January 9, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
230 420 2608 54.8 6.21 75 18 12 26 76.0 Thigpen

257 428 2971 60.0 6.94 70 14 12 32 80.3 Flacco

246 414 3288 59.4 7.94 65 15 12 20 84.7 Delhomme

281 469 3301 59.9 7.04 65 17 15 46 80.1 Roethlisberger

Those are stats of 4 quarterbacks.
3 are going to the playoffs
1 is not.
Thigpen, Flacco, Delhomme, Roethlisberger

Seems to me those other guys got to play the whole season.
Sooo if we had drafted a QB this year and he had numbers like this would we be wanting another QB?? I would believe that we would not be having this conversation.

The only difference between the QBs is the ones in the playoffs have a DEFENSE that well actually stops the other team.

Soo do you all still believe we need to waste a high pick on a QB????

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — January 9, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Googley you said it all… we need a defense. I don’t want us to reach for Orakpo or another DE at a #3 spot though. We need to get another solid first pick OL first, and then go almost all out on defense for the rest of our picks. Our defense blows and you can’t ever spend enough time improving your defense.

Every team left in the race this year has a good defense… so it only makes sense. (as it does every freaking year!)

If Tyler can develop a comfort level under center rather than a stupid shotgun on EVERY DOWN and increase his accuracy, he could be a damn good QB. He deserves a chance after what he did with this team. After his second start this team saw a night vs. day difference for the rest of the year, that is not a fluke people!

Comment by RednGold4LIFE — January 9, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Of course Thigpen’s stats are good, we didn’t have a run game. He did make a lot of good plays, but he also over threw A LOT too. I’m not saying he sucks, infact I do think he’s a good QB, but what if he doesn’t pan out next year? We need a good QB to be on the bench (Stafford) until the time is right for him to step in. If Stafford performed good enough he just might get the start. I believe that accuracy is the most important thing a QB can have, and Thigpen really needs to work on that in the off-season.

Comment by Chief Tom — January 9, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

The Chiefs will get a new GM and we all hope that he will turn the football team into a Superbowl winner. My concern is what the new GM will do for the fans. King Carl really put the screws to the fans. The ticket prices and the parking fee are too much. KC has great tailgating. The best in the NFL. Why do we have pay 22.oo for parking. The fans should get some kind of break for being such great fans. They share the parking lot with the baseball team. It should not cost a leg and arm to maintain the lots.

Comment by Chief squaw — January 9, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

Chief Tom

Guy is a basically a ROOKIE. He got no time with the starters until halfway through the season. I think he did remarkable all things considered. You see many QB’s over through guys when they are pressing and they feel like it is up to them to make plays. He was put in that situation by the staff. The biggest problem I had with his play was trying to force passes in to TG consistenly. My point is this; he grew throughout the teams’ struggles this season, one we can all hope to forget. I wouldn’t be against drafting a QB late as we will be needing at least a backup. How should we expect a rookie to perform any better again next season.

It should also be noted that Gannon had been in the league eight years before entering the Chiefs organization and spent 2 more in a backup capacity.

Comment by Travis — January 10, 2009 @ 12:17 am

I would not argue to bring in another QB in this draft. I just do not see the need to pick one up in the first couple of rounds.
Again it all depends on what GM decision is made. They re-did the offense to meet thigpens style of play. If the system changes then i dont see thigpen working out. If they keep the same spread/pistol/whatever then i believe he can succeed.
I would say that in the current state of things i believe thigpen takes too much responsibility. I believe he thinks if he dosent score everytime he has the ball the chiefs will lose.
Now look at flacco. If the offense trys 3 long pass plays and goes 3 and out two things happen. The opposing defense has to respect the down the field pass which can open things up offensively. Second the freaking defense will prevent the other team from scoring.
So if thigpen wasent playing from behind or under pressure at all times to score i believe he will stop forcing his throws.
Just my 2 cents.

Comment by GoogleyMoogley — January 10, 2009 @ 3:27 am

I just do not like the spread/pistol offense, it’s hard to establish a run game, it’s also collegiate (unheard of in the NFL). I am all for Thigpen succeeding, but if he can only succeed in the spread offense then we need to do away with him. Teams like the Ravens and Titans eat offenses like that up for breakfast.

Comment by Chief Tom — January 11, 2009 @ 12:35 am

I would also like to see us pass on a qb in the early rounds. I think by looking at the playoff teams, they weren’t all necessarily quaterbacked by super talented guys, ie kerry collins, joe flacco, chad pennington, tavaris jackson, although there were some. It seemed to me that they put good people around them and played pretty mistake free football. I do agree that it seems tough to establish the run out of the pistol. The wildcat offense was “collegiate” though as well and seemed to be pretty effective (although it was used as spot treatment as opposed to the norm like our pistol) Some tough decisions to make but it will be an interesting draft and offseason to say the last.

Comment by dbowe82 — January 12, 2009 @ 1:07 pm

Pioli takes GM job in Kansas City
Posted: January 13th, 2009 | Adam Schefter | Tags: Kansas City Chiefs, Scott Pioli

The Chiefs hired Patriots vice president – player personnel Scott Pioli on Tuesday to be the team’s general manager. Pioli, 43, was considered one of the masterminds behind the Patriots dynasty that won three Super Bowls and four AFC titles over a span of eight seasons.

The Chiefs have been looking for a new GM since Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO.

Comment by RednGold4LIFE — January 13, 2009 @ 4:52 pm