[ESPN.com] ESPN’s Michael Smith reports that it has not been ruled out that Herm Edwards could return for the final year of his contract as coach of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Conventional wisdom is that Scott Pioli, who is expected to be introduced as the team’s new general manager later Wednesday, will want to hire his own guy, but a source said Pioli is coming in with an open mind.
The fate of Edwards and his staff is expected to be decided by the end of this week.
Owner Clark Hunt, according to sources, prefers that Edwards remain the coach, but Hunt has gone on record as saying the new general manager would make that decision.
WTF???
Comment by WTF — January 14, 2009 @ 2:16 pm
not that hard of a decision to make
Comment by kcchiefs19692003 — January 14, 2009 @ 2:34 pm
what would the incentive be to keep him??? he has a 24% win percentage in the last 2 years and has done nothing but make good players like j. allen, t. gonzalez, and l. johnson want out of KC.
i mean seriously how many ppl keep their job when they’re barely able to do it right a fourth of the time? his time has come and its time to take out the dirty laundry, scott pioli, show the chiefs fans that you know what the hell your doing and sh*tcan this loser.
Comment by KC111110 — January 14, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
We couldn’t be that lucky to get a new GM and a new Head Coach. I don’t know if i can sit through another year of Herm’s blame of everyone but himself.
Comment by HermHater — January 14, 2009 @ 2:46 pm
The incentive to keep him would be that we can fire him after this year and get Cowher next year. The remaining coaches out there aren’t that great of choices. I’m against keeping Herm but I also would rather have him for one more year, or get a coach that isn’t who we want that were stuck with for the next several years.
Comment by Nate — January 14, 2009 @ 3:32 pm
Cowher has said he does not want to coach this year – maybe they are thinking to give Herm one more year and go after Cowher next year. Rumor mill also has Pioli interested in Iowa head coach ! Anxiously waiting – hopefully good news to follow.
Comment by Chief Vito — January 14, 2009 @ 3:34 pm
Nate – what a coincidence to be thinking the same thing and posting 2 minutes apart – lol – I too would rather wait a year for Cowher than commit to someone else.
Comment by Chief Vito — January 14, 2009 @ 3:39 pm
Like it or not, Herm deserves one more year… on the merit that he wanted to rebuild this team when he got here. And did not get the chance to start revamping it till this past season because of King Carl. Look at the talent of his draft’s the last few seasons. 90% of all his picks are a bunch of good football players. I would love to see Cowher in 2010 if Herm can’t pull it off. But give the man a chance to finish what he started. Because if he does get fired, and we have a great year…. The new guy will get the credit but Herm laid the ground work…
Comment by MarineRunner — January 14, 2009 @ 4:52 pm
herm will stay just because of gonzo and yes even though we all think he should go ===he should stay gonzo must know more than us he sees him all the time and how about picking on al davis or the fact that romanowski whated to be the head coach of the broncos quit with the worm worries and look to 09 and how pathetic the broncos are getting rid of shanahan and how pathetic al davis is and how the hell the charges got in the playoffs
Comment by rick — January 14, 2009 @ 5:20 pm
HES GOING TO FIRE HERM AND THAT COACHING STAFF,SCOTT IS GOING TO LOOK FOR A COACH THAT RESEMBALES HIS COACH IN NEW ENGLAND.
Comment by Chris — January 14, 2009 @ 6:38 pm
please god, dont do this to me. this man has won 2 games in the last year and a half. how can you keep this a$$?
Comment by Chief fogg — January 14, 2009 @ 6:47 pm
We already got Pioli, now pick up Shanahan and lets start putting this team together. Maybe Herm gets an offer take it or leave it as a DB Coach. So far I am ahead of my prediction. We got Pioli.
Comment by Andy Gomez — January 14, 2009 @ 9:34 pm
i can’t believe anyone would want to keep herm another year. i saw the press conference and pioli didn’t want to give anything away but stated that he had the utmost respect for herm and how hard his players play for him. i hope that someone gives pioli game films of all the games this year and lets him see how herm can’t manage a lead or the clock and completely lays down in the second half. playing hard for the guy is one thing but no matter how hard you play its hard to win with a moron at the helm. screw herm and just because a few of you have heard of cowher doesn’t make him a fit here. let’s hope that pioli does’t let clark make decisions about personel because if herm stays we can expect another 2-14 or 3-13 year next year, oh yeah but i forgot, we’re rebuilding so it’s okay. there are plenty of great football minds out there so let’s go get one now and cut our losses.
Comment by mark f. — January 14, 2009 @ 10:14 pm
yeah WTF????? AND I DO AGREE WITH HERM AT THE HELM WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER 2-14 OR 3-13 OR EVEN WROST 0-16 IF THEY DON’T TAKE AWAY A PRESEASON GAME OUT OR TWO IF TWO 0-18
Comment by Michael Diedrich — January 15, 2009 @ 1:27 am
P.S. FIRE HERM THE WORM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WE THE CHIEFS FANS HAVE SPOKEN
Comment by Michael Diedrich — January 15, 2009 @ 1:28 am
Does anyone see the problem with wanting a head coach new or old for this year and demanding a playoff win or else they lose their job?
We have a reputation in Kansas City and although it has not proven to get us to the Super Bowl very often its not like Chicago bears do that either but their are reputations at stake and the minute you start breaking contracts it takes some of the potential trust away. It was an honorable thing for Peterson to step away a year in advance without that we could have not got the most highly touted Gen. Manager in Professional football. The fact that he is 43 and could serve for another 20 years is very appealing and I doubt that would happen unless we make it to or win an AFC championship game in the next five years.
It is easy to find mistakes in football it very difficult to guage the right course of action from the outside looking in or even the inside looking in. But the fact remains if Pioli is as good as everyone says he is he will have the honor to not kill the lead dog. The manager does a lot but a coach does more and Pioli knows how hard Herm works and possibly even sees the potential in him with some fresh ideas. I give Herm credit for adapting in the middle of the season its not something he prides himself on but having to make ends meet has been the story of his career as a coach.
Losing Trent green put the end to Herm’s possibility to succeed in the public’s eye as the Coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. Fire him or not first you have to think of the team because I would have no faith in Pioli if he would not be happy with some of the talent on this team and the possibilities they have shown on the field. Pioli has something Peterson never had and that’s a working man’s attitude and his teams have proven to epitomize that. Perfection was the only desire in New England and sometimes when you set the bar too high you fall on your a$$. Herm understands limits too well and hopefully the two can find a balance to provide success for years to come. Isn’t that what we all want. I can’t imagine any chiefs fan who wouldn’t want Herm to succeed so long as he’s on our sideline. If you don’t than I can’t call you a fan. I’m not even saying he’s a good coach or that he has the credentials to even be a coach, but he is our coach regardless at the present moment. I think the star’s are aligning for the Chiefs’ and we will have success very soon regardless of who coaches us in the next few years we have a base right now and the proper tools finally to build the rest of the pyramid. Many stages to come and I just hope we have to only change coaches no more than one time to win the trophy. Otherwise Pioli would not be who we thought he was.
I hope this was the last time I ever have to write about Carl Peterson. Hopefully Pioli is who we all want him to be and is able to put his plan into action to bring much needed prosperity to this new era of Kansas City Chiefs Football.
Comment by ChiefJT — January 15, 2009 @ 1:58 am
Of course Clark Hunt has already stated that IF Herm was retained for 2009 he would be required to win a playoff game in order to keep his job.
Comment by ChiefJT — January 15, 2009 @ 2:00 am
ok, to all the “I want to keep herm” people out there. I have a question for you. Realistically, how many games is Herm going to have to win next year for you to consider next year to be a “success”, and be moving in the right direction? If we go another year of 2-14 we will have wasted another year, even if we have an excellent draft. Dont you people remember the excitement at the begining of this year after the draft?? cheifjt, you said we were going to the playoffs this year!! remember??? Fact of the matter is, Herm cant coach. He may be a nice guy, but being a nice guy just dont get you to the playoffs. Wins do, and thats something we just cant get out of herm. As much as everyone thinks we have alot of talent on this team, (which i dont necessarily disagree with) it may not be the talent we need to make it to the playoffs, let alone go deep in the playoffs. If we are going into “rebuild” mode, then lets do that by getting a new coach. Waiting another year does not gaurantee that we will get Coher or any other decent coach. Lets not forget that to win the “Super Bowl” all of the stars have to align just right!! GO CHIEFS!!!
Comment by Dennis — January 15, 2009 @ 9:10 am
How many years have you seen Herms term healthy to decide whether he can coach or not? He had good seasons in NY, getting to the playoffs what, 3 out of 5 years, then in his last year they went through a game of spin the bottle with who their QB was going to be and he had a poor season, 4-12 or 3-13 – in that area, I can’t remember without looking it up.
Once again, his first season, he has a team in place that is has proven that it can win games, his star QB goes down for better than half the season in the first game and he still manages to get 9 wins out of this team and get them into the playoffs.
The next year the rebuild starts and we win 4 games, year 3 the rebuild continues, more injuries and 2 wins.
Im not saying Herm is the guy, im saying that bad luck with the health of his teams seems to follow him around. This may be a direct reflection ON his coaching at the same time, with the exception of the Trent Green injury which would have sidelined most QBs for a long time, but like the 2008 season. Those guys simply couldn’t stay healthy, and even after a few weeks in this season I was wondering if maybe there was something wrong with the way we run practice, or if maybe we needed new strength and conditioning programs.
Comment by pentekno2 — January 15, 2009 @ 12:52 pm
I also expected brodie croyle not to get hurt. look what happened because of that. It was not until we changed plans that we had and the fact that we still had a chance of making the playoffs after starting 1-5 was amazing.
From what you have said I can assume you think 2008 was a wasted year, and because of that I can tell you that you are flat out wrong. 2008 was a better year than 2007 everyone sees talent potential on this team I guess the only think you care about is getting rid of Herm and I won’t be the first to say I would welcome that change so long as the new coach can provide immediate success. Herm made it to the playoffs his first year in a similar way the Eagles made the playoffs this year.
But if you believe in honor which is what has built this great franchise you will soon notice the sacrifices of demamding instant success no matter what happens during the course of a season, injuries, retirement, arrests.
Open your eyes and look Dinnes )i spell your name wrong cause you can’t spell Chief goes to show a lot about yourself when you spell the name of your team wrong anyway, we already rebuilt the team this year.
We need players and coaches still. I’m all for signing 28 year olds with talent if they want to play for several years and can produce at the highest level of their career. We will get more involved in free agency this year it was all part of the plan all along. I don’t understand how you people (referring to b**chers and naggers) can just talk about the coach. “He’s not good enough he can’t make miracles happen so f**kin fire him.” I wonder how far that mentality has gotten you in life. I doubt you even use that mentality in life because you know how ignorant it is. With as cheap as our talent is it will not be hard at all to retain the best of it. Leggett will stay surely as a special teamer all the draft picks except robinson. (elite returners don’t have 4.5 speed more like 4.4 with pads) I’m pleased with cox but not settled on the fact we can’t find another better FB but he is Gailey’s guy. Kolby Smith and Charles will be on the team for a while and need to be given a great line like we gave to Holmes and Johnson if we demand the same kind of success at that position.
If Bradley gets released before he gets injured again I will be shocked. He is injury prone but does not mean he is not a playmaker. LT and Antonio Gates are also injury prone.
Babin should be retained to maintain experienced depth because if you want to draft and play a rookie you have to assume a rookie can’t play every snap. Boone Tank and Edwards are all B grade DL and should stay until something better is out there. Hali needs a complementary DE to ever be successful again. We need linebackers O-line and the best available at the moment we draft. Very interesting last year with New Englands 10th overall pick how everyone knew who it was going to be and then ended up being rookie of the year on defense on a team that did not even make the playoffs. I am starting to think the 4-3 is not longer a good fit for our defense. Maybe a hybrid like Miami could provide success.
Bottom line we need some big mean fast smart linebackers and that’s why Pioli took the job. He knows that with a few tweaks and hard work by his part to find talent and build a team will provide a positive transition to the new Chiefs era of success.
Comment by ChiefJT — January 15, 2009 @ 1:13 pm
PENTEKNO2,
i understand your point about injuries, but you said yourself 2007 and 2008 were “herms” teams. in the three years he has been here the winning percentage has gone down (seasons getting worse and worse). it was between him and carl who stayed and who went. not all the problems we have now are herms fault, some are carls, and some are other coaches. the bottom line is that herm put this team together over the last 2 years and it is getting worse. my concern is that if this team were to go 4-12 or 6-10 next year with herm as head coach, people would conclude that the team is getting better, which on the surface might be true, but we would still not be competitive. good teams with good players can take an injured player out of the lineup and “plug” another one in and keep on winning!! that is not our team. the winning philosophy has not been instilled in our players (attitude). to me that boiles down to the coach. just my opinion.
Comment by Dennis — January 15, 2009 @ 1:41 pm
forgot one point……..croyle was herms man……..remember?? herm said at the begining of 2007 that croyle was the qb. and look what happened to the qb’s we had when herm got here, green….gone, huard….benched in favor of croyle. the only bright spot was thigpen.
Comment by Dennis — January 15, 2009 @ 1:45 pm
I would love to see a new coach! But I got to believe that if Piloi is what we all think he is than if he retains Herm there has to be a good reason. He has to know what he is doing right? Maybe he wanted Josh McDaniels, or Ferentz I don’t really know. Maybe he is going after Cowher, or maybe there is a coach that is still in the playoffs that he’s after. All I know is that I want to see a Super Bowl victory, and I want to see one within the next 3 years, possibly after 2010 or 11. I don’t care if Herm is the coach as long as this team starts as of next year becoming competitive. I think he needs to win at least 8 games next year if he’s here, if he doesn’t he needs to go. I wouldn’t mind Pioli bringing in his own guy, but I agree with what he said “IT HAS TO BE THE RIGHT GUY” maybe it’s Herm, I don’t think it is but I didn’t just get hired by Clark Hunt to run my football team and to bring me the trophies. So with that being said, we as fans should be behind our team even if we don’t agree with everything that’s done. We all wanted Pioloi, and for once we finally got the guy we all coveted right out of the gate. So lets see if what we wanted turns into what we want. “A SUPER BOWL VICTORY”
Comment by Michael Raite — January 15, 2009 @ 1:58 pm
Who will we pick up in the draft?
Comment by JRock in Texas — January 15, 2009 @ 3:07 pm
Great point Michael.
Referring to Dennis duh croyle was his developmental pick in 2006 while trent green was his starting 4000 yard passer and 3rd round croyle was 3rd string and then became the only viable option with glaring upside, but no great proven productivity. If he grows up maybe he could one day play, but I don’t see that happening with this franchise. I really don’t know what he was thinking when he evaluated him. He could be a permanent back up knowing what we know now but how does anyone even have trust for a guy who can’t finish a whole game to start the most important season of one’s career. Maybe it was just bad Karma. Sort of odd to lose two starting qb’s in the first game of the season 2 out of 3 years. Only to be separated by the starting of a career backup in 2007 Herm never said in 2007 that croyle was the qb he specifically said he was the qb of the future which is just a way of saying “i have no f**king clue about the guy and have yet make a decision or know that I will be forced to put my career, Herm’s career on the shoulders of Croyle because he drafted him into the old offense. But everyone thinks herm had some sort of fair shot at producing a team or even a perineal playoff contender with that. We all know now that once Trent Green went down our only chance at having a winning team was going out and getting another qb. Right now over the last 10 games is the best showing by the Kansas City Chiefs as a team since 2005 and very few people are left from that team maybe 5 or less. There is still no proof these guys can Win but we have to admits its the best shot we have had in the last three years not including what sort of talent we will be able to add over the next seven months. Herm or no Herm we will be better next year, but you can’t say that herm is entirely responsible either way. Personally I want him gone just I don’t have to listen to b**chers and naggers like Dennis who’s only response was something blatantly obvious yet still still had no point. I am not writing again until a decision is made about Herm just because if you know how to read you will know that if Herm is the coach he will be fired unless he wins a playoff game. FACT!!! no more b**ching please. Mommy got you a Popsicle named Pioli now suck on it and shut up until something Newsworthy as in NEW to speak of not the same old drivel you have all been saying for the last two F***ing years referring to Herm Edwards. Herm like Presidents are just the fall guys for the plan or plans in place during a specific term. If Pioli wants to continue the progress made in 2008 especially the last 10 games he will have to figure out if it was because of Herm or in spite of his detriments. Players will always repect Herm because he is a great teacher and leader just not the greatest gadeday field general. If he had a Field General Counterpart to make some decisions for him but allowing him to teach and lead in practice is the only Herm will succeed, unless he stops making the same mistakes he’s made every year of his career as a Head Coach.
Comment by ChiefJT — January 15, 2009 @ 3:31 pm
Keep Herm til after the draft then ditch em.
Send Larry Johnson packing! And everyone SHUT UP about Jared Allen…he’s gone…get over it… do you really think he would have helped us make the playoffs??? NO!!! By the time were in the playoffs and competing for a title, he will be old news! I think the 2 guys we got in the draft for allen will turn out to be more of an asset then people think. Quit living in the past…thats why the chiefs have sucked for the last several years. Looking to the future will do us better.
Sincerly
Lifelongfan!!!
Comment by david — January 15, 2009 @ 4:07 pm
PS send Croyle packing too. We found a QB!!
Comment by david — January 15, 2009 @ 4:08 pm
I am a Herm supporter for, and want to give him one more year, I am not making excuses for him. But when he got here there where alot of useless veterans that he had to replace. He did that with the draft; and now all of the young talent has some experience. Give Thigpen a full offseason to be the guy and learn how to take some snaps from under center and i think he will be a heck of a football player. We need Mr. Hunt to use the money we have wisely for a few solid free agents, and another great draft we will be good. Like i said I support Herm, and the talent is there for a deep run in the playoffs. No Excuses…. He started it, give him a chance to finish it, and take us to the playoffs this year…
Comment by MarineRunner — January 15, 2009 @ 4:10 pm
chiefjt,
maybe you should be the coach since you have it all figured out!! oh ya, thats right, you want to keep herm, so that job is not available. and as for spelling, sorry about that, sometimes my fingers go faster than the brain. but you are the one that settles for a 2-16 team. we should be patient with herm and listen to his b.s….right?? name one time that herm has taken ANY responsibility for what he has done!!
oh ya, i can tell you have never ran a business before. I own my own business and am very successful. WHY?? i dont let people work for me that do not perform.
Comment by Dennis — January 15, 2009 @ 5:36 pm
have you all forgot romanowski wants to be a bronco al davis is mental and the charges 7-9 made it next year should be good
Comment by rick — January 15, 2009 @ 6:41 pm
I have just one question for David and his comment in line 25, Where is he? Did the Chiefs win 10 or 11 games last year and I sleep through it and miss the playoffs because of this miraculous QB, a guy that is a franchise type of player?
Now granted, I will admit that I have not seen all of the games yet, although I have the last 5 weeks on disc and will be watching them soon. But, if the Chiefs have a chance to get a “Can’t Miss Player” in the first round as a QB, then I say go for it.
I agree, having not seen any of the games, that Thigpen is certainly good in Chan Gailey’s system, but, what if Gailey and everyone around him is gone tomorrow? If the system calls for a drop back QB, we will need a drop back QB, and Thigpen isn’t that guy, I have read enough to know that about him!
Just some food for thought…
A second thought that must be consider is what to expect and what is the least we should take in a trade for Larry Johnson, because I think he is all but gone…
Comment by Mike Noonan — January 16, 2009 @ 12:50 am
Herm has had some good drafts. The problem is, he can’t do anything with them. He has shown that he is a good judge of talent but he has also shown that he is terrible at coaching that talent. That is the reason he should not be allowed to stay. The players in this league have a finite number of years to preform and wasting those years for this coach would be just that, a waste.
Comment by Rick — January 16, 2009 @ 10:20 am
Dennis I admire your business practices, but you don’t employ Herm or even see him on the job except maybe in Press Conferences and on the sidelines. Clark Hunt employs Herm and don’t you think he knows a lot more about his employees than we do. I hate when people use statistics to skew the complex realities we live in. It’s called spin and anyone who does is just perpetuating a false reality. I’m not saying I hate anyone specifically just when they do what they know is wrong and then pass it along like its fact in and of itself. Bottom line Herm has only won 6 games in two years but first problem is your talking about two years of football in the national football league. Would you discuss the ravens or the dolphins in a two year statistic the same way no because the they have flipped their franchise over and have the labels to establish that fact. The only label we have to exonerate ourselves is we were the oungest football team in the NFL for 2008. That does not prevent us from being successful but it is pretty unreasonable to expect perfection from someone who has never shown it. I only expected improvement for 2008 with the possibility of playoffs cause we are now in a weak division with a lot of uncertainty at qb. This was the year Jamarcus Russel was going to come alive and Rivers would be dominate he was but he had to put the team on his back and drag them to the playoffs. The biggest uncertainty was with Cutler who was diagnosed with diabetes and managed to make it to the Pro Bowl with his effort and young talent like Royal. Once we found a qb who could handle the big stage we thrived until the fourth quarter which is where younger teams either make or break themselves cause they don’t have years of experience to go off of. The Tampa Bay game said it all. It showed all of our strengths and blinded us with our faults in players and especially coaching. No reason they should have been so high and mighty in the first half of a National Football game in the first half unless your up by 35 points. I say 35 points because it is unfathomable to think any team including the 2007 Patriots could come back from 35 down in 30 minutes with 5 or 6 possessions. We were simply up 18 points or 21 or something that with one play shifts the momentum and puts everyone back on even ground. Then the veteran Bucs took over the game the way they have done in past years.
There is no can’t miss player at qb this year at least with 1st round talent worthy of $30 million guaranteed. Sanchez was smart to come out when the draft is weak on qbs with credentials. His only credential is he’s from USC. Think of Leinart and Palmer but not as good a pocket pressence as Palmer.
It’s a bigger gamble to go with these guys than to try something new at least new to the NFL standards and bring some things from the old playbook with things from a totally new playbook. Thigpen running the ball is our new X factor now we need to use it the right way and not just settle for when he feels like running. Using him more as a decoy and as a hybrid passer in a 2 qb system I believe could be very effective. The only problem is you can rarely ever use the same play twice, but the Chiefs have something like 4000 plus plays from the Vermeil days in the closet collecting dust.
“name one time that herm has taken ANY responsibility for what he has done!!” (Dennis)
Herm has admitted he is responsible for his players as men and players and is committed to the undertaking of the rebuild. He has taken responsibility for 2-14, but he has also already taken responsibility for his players in what they do in the years to come as men and as players. Herm never thinks about the past because you can’t change it. Sometimes I wish he would look at film from 2005 before he was here and realize we can never be that team nor would he want to be that team except to win 10 games (though not enough to make the playoffs. We are in a new direction as a franchise one that won’t be like the 90′s or even like the late 60′s and early 70′s obviously. Our greatest recent success was winning 9 games in a row but look where that landed us not to a playoff win. Herm is a lot more complex than people give him credit for, but I bet that has a lot to do with why he is respected so much by players and coaches and owners in the NFL. For those of you who don’t think deep about circumstance won’t realize that giving Herm a second year of the rebuild to show his decisions were and are the right ones and allow him to be the captain that sails us to calmer more prosperous waters, I ask of you not to be patient, but to be subservient to the coming winds of change. I don’t want to waste another year, but I have the opinion that 2008 brought much needed young talent to the team. Do we have all the pieces, NO. Do we even have half the pieces? Who knows. Only the W-L column for 2009 and 2010 will tell, but if Herm can’t make us a contender Week 1 2009 we could see him leaving early on the one year anniversary of Carl’s dethroning a day I hope to celebrate along with an early playoff berth.
I’m not overly optimistic just subservient to the change at Arrowhead. You are either fighting the winds or allowing them to blow in your face, personally I like the winds to my back. Change will happen and we will little to do with it except in motivating the players and showing that we want the best one’s on our team and we will do everything in our vocal capacity to make it more difficult for our opponents.
Comment by ChiefJT — January 16, 2009 @ 2:50 pm
Subservient – useful in promoting a purpose or end.
I didn’t mean the other definition I would never ask for any American to display extreme submissiveness I actually promote the contrary, but unless anyone has the ability, knowledge and experience to take Herm’s job your effort is better served working with the winds of change not against the creator of it.
Comment by ChiefJT — January 16, 2009 @ 3:07 pm
Herm should stick to what he does best…..Scout. He did bring in Dale Carter who was a fine CB before all the problems.
Comment by J Rock in Texas — January 16, 2009 @ 6:55 pm
i was listening to a show on espn that had 4 guest speakers, i don’t remember the name and it’s the first time that i watched it. they discussed the chiefs signing of pioli and whether or not the chiefs would keep herm on as coach. one of the panel said what i’ve been saying since day one when they signed herm, he is the most useless nfl coach in the history of coaching and anyone who thinks that he has a clue on how to win is a moron. i paraphrase of course but you get my gist. a career record 20 games under 500 and chiefjt still wants this loser? what has herm done that warrants any consideration, absolutely nothing. gruden fired today yet herm is probably getting another shot next year. i hope arrowhead is empty next year until they finally get the message and give the best fans in football what they deserve.
Comment by mark f. — January 16, 2009 @ 8:29 pm
It is interesting some of the coaches that have been given their release from the team of which they are head coach after not terrible seasons.
He’ll in the NFL this year it seems more like your job is at jepordy if you have a winning record and are just edged out of the playoffs than if you were completely abyssmal.
Comment by pentekno2 — January 16, 2009 @ 8:45 pm
Is Chiefshuddle ever coming back to warpath or no? LOL
I know its off topic and they were having some problems with keeping the site going but I cant find any other Chiefs message boards or anything like it. Anyone got any suggestions or links for me to go sign up at that’s similiar like Chiefshuddle? Thanks…
Comment by Marques — January 17, 2009 @ 9:55 am
Spags is gone to the Rams now so there goes another option. If we keep Herm one more year it’s like conceding and saying f-you to the fans. Fire the deadbeat and hire someone now although I hope it’s not Cowher. I hate the Steelers and I can’t look at him spitting in a players face without thinking of Pittsburgh.
Comment by mark f. — January 17, 2009 @ 5:08 pm
Well I think the longer and longer that we get from the signing of Pioli as the GM without a change at HC, its becoming clear that Herm very well may be the guy going into next season. I was expecting him to be released by Friday and that didn’t happen so now I don’t know what is going to happen with this situation.
Comment by pentekno2 — January 17, 2009 @ 9:23 pm
Pioli is a winner… if he believes that Edwards can do a good job with better talent brought in by Pioli, then I say give Herm another year…
Comment by hrivera — January 18, 2009 @ 11:18 am
Let’s face it people, it is now January 20th, most of the quality coaches, who want to leave the teams that they are currently with have already left them, except for the two teams left in the Superbowl.
Of the teams that just played this weekend, even though they lost, I like Jim Johnson the defensive coordinator from Philadephia, however, I am not sure if he has any head coaching experience. The information below was taken directly from the Eagles Website, after this, I don’t think anything more needs to be said, other than DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!
From 2000-07, Johnson’s units rank tied for first in the NFL with 342 sacks, second in the league in 3rd down efficiency (34.3%) and red zone touchdown percentage (43.0%), and fourth in fewest points allowed (17.6 per game).
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
From 2000-07, Johnson’s defense is highly ranked in several defensive categories:
Sacks 342 t-1st
3rd down efficiency 34.3% (613/1,798) 2nd
Red zone TD pct. 43.0% (156/363) 2nd
Forced Fumbles 139 2nd
Fewest points allowed 2,257 (17.6 per game) 4th
Opponent QB rating 75.5 5th
Jim Johnson’s Coaching Timeline
1959-62 Missouri *Quarterback
1963-64 Buffalo Bills *Tight End
1967-68 Missouri Southern Head Coach
1969-72 Drake Defensive Coordinator
1973-76 Indiana Linebackers
1977-83 Notre Dame Defensive Coordinator/Asst. Head Coach
1984 Oklahoma (USFL) Defensive Coordinator
1985 Jacksonville (USFL) Defensive Coordinator
1986-93 StL/Arz Cardinals Defensive Line/Defensive Backs
1994-97 Indianapolis Colts Linebackers/Defensive Coordinator
1998 Seattle Seahawks Linebackers
1999- Philadelphia Defensive Coordinator
*player
Comment by Mike Noonan — January 19, 2009 @ 11:13 am
give herm another chance? my god, he hasn’t learned a lick in all the games that he’s coached in his head coaching tenure about clock management, halftime adjustments and playing with a lead. what makes you think that one more chance will change him and make him something that he is obvioulsy not?
Comment by mark f. — January 19, 2009 @ 5:50 pm
I THINK WE GOT RID OF THE MAIN PROBLEM ALLREADY ( CARL )
HERM NEEDS TO STAY HIS FINAL YEAR AND LET PIOLI WORK HIS
MAGIC TROUGH THE DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY THIS YEAR.
AND THEN PICK UP BILL COWHER NEXT YEAR.
Comment by BART — January 21, 2009 @ 11:20 am
Bill Cowher is NOT coming to Kansas City. We don’t need to wait a year to basically let Herm rebuild this team into something that Bill Cowher would want to start changing into a totally different team.
Are we really just throwing out the sexiest name out there that we can think of?
Comment by pentekno2 — January 21, 2009 @ 12:18 pm